Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[IMDAZED]

Wow, you can't be serious? He was saying he agreed to all testing. You act like the Rios fight happened before Mayweather asked for testing.

Pac has went on and on about saying he will do any testing, but Floyd still won't give him a fight, even though the fans want it.

Seriously you have to be race bias, if you don't think Floyd is scared. Seriously stop dude. the guy is shook his body language, his words, every thing.

He doesnt want to lose, he said maidana was killing guys with horse hair gloves, he said his health comes first, he keeps making scary reasons, this means scared, get it through your head, remove your race bias already ****.

The race argument is weak -- try to argue what I'm saying instead. I don't know who Manny went on and on to. He said a lot of BS to the media so I really am not buying that. I do know that when they negotiated, he refused random testing. Can't change that.

[djtmal]

Like I said in my first post in this thread refusing to take a test is considered the same as testing positive.

You can pretend he didn't take tests because his feelings were hurt.

I never said manny was or is guilty of anything other than refusing to test which caused the fight to disintergrate.

Hell no it ain't the same as testing positive, and it doesn't make him "guilty" of a damn thing.

First off lets get this straight. He refused to take MAYWEATHER'S personal stipulation for Olympic testing, not a sanctioning body (NSAC?), which is HIS choice and well within HIS right. This was something that was specifically incorporated into this particular negotation contract, by Mayweather, due to speculation on Mayweather's part, that he or nobody he employs, could not prove in any way, form or fashion. No other fight in history has this stipulation Mind you. Not Ali/Frazier, Hagler/Hearns, Hagler/Leonard. None of 'em. This isn't the Olympics, and the Mayweather's don't have control here. That's the part you either fail to acknowledge, or just get selective anmensia with. Should that make Pacquaio guilty for anything or for causing a fight to disintergrate? No. That wouldn't hold up in a court of law and you know it.

Second, I don't have to pretend that the man didn't take tests, because he's been taking tests I'm quite sure since he started fighting in the professional ranks under strict supervision, and above that, he's tested negative to this day, much to your chagrin. When he actually tests positive, then you got a leg to stand on.

Third off, this ain't about just the Mayweather fight, this is about just singling one dude out for PEDS because he's good. That's it. Good. If you go by what the Mayweather's say, they act like Pacquiao is knocking out lightheavys with one punch.

Had Pacquaio actually been caught cheating, and refused to take Mayweather's Olympic testing prior to the negotiation, I'd be in agreement. Under these circumstances, get the f**k outta here.

[The Big Dunn]

Hell no it ain't the same as testing positive, and it doesn't make him "guilty" of a damn thing.

First off lets get this straight. He refused to take MAYWEATHER'S personal stipulation for Olympic testing, not a sanctioning body (NSAC?), which is HIS choice and well within HIS right. This was something that was specifically incorporated into this particular negotation contract, by Mayweather, due to speculation on Mayweather's part, that he or nobody he employs, could not prove in any way, form or fashion. No other fight in history has this stipulation Mind you. Not Ali/Frazier, Hagler/Hearns, Hagler/Leonard. None of 'em. This isn't the Olympics, and the Mayweather's don't have control here. That's the part you either fail to acknowledge, or just get selective anmensia with. Should that make Pacquaio guilty for anything or for causing a fight to disintergrate? No. That wouldn't hold up in a court of law and you know it.

Second, I don't have to pretend that the man didn't take tests, because he's been taking tests I'm quite sure since he started fighting in the professional ranks under strict supervision, and above that, he's tested negative to this day, much to your chagrin. When he actually tests positive, then you got a leg to stand on.

Third off, this ain't about just the Mayweather fight, this is about just singling one dude out for PEDS because he's good. That's it. Good. If you go by what the Mayweather's say, they act like Pacquiao is knocking out lightheavys with one punch.

Had Pacquaio actually been caught cheating, and refused to take Mayweather's Olympic testing prior to the negotiation, I'd be in agreement. Under these circumstances, get the f**k outta here.

Both fighters were taking tests, not just manny. Never said manny was guilty of ped use.

Obviously, floyd does have control because manny 6 months later agreed to cutoff than last year agreed to no cutoff.

I never saw or heard any maywetaher say manny was koing lhw.

Manny would not have tested positive because the commission were not using an effective testing protocol. Funny, but the same tests you so proudly say manny always passed-so did jmm-yet you and others don't cite passage as proof of cleanliness you cite acne as proof of guilt. Mmmmmm??

So yeah, manny and jmm passed all tests. Now let's argue over which is more indicative of guilt-back acne or refusing advanced testing?

Here's a hint where I'm leaning-jmm never refused floyds advanced tests.

[ADP02]

cut off dates? you either do the strictest random testing with the best testing agency or you dont do it at all. Have you followed the A rod story a bit? If you want to get these guys you cant have no cut off dates. you think a cut of date is the same as a random test up to the day of the fight? you think you cant cheat with a 14 day cut off date? If i was going for a random testing campaign i wouldnt settle for a flawed cut-off date compromise.

Besides that Mayweather signed his contract waiting on manny to sign his.

To me strict random testing is what GSP asked for. That means the testing begins about 3 months before the match with no cut-off date and done by VADA. VADA is the best at testing.

year round testing isnt practical...

another question what type of testing did Manny do against Bradley 2? Did he also do VADA and how manny times was he tested? Bradley did VADA again right?

How does red K work? can you see who red K you? can it only be done by moderators or by anyone?

funny stuff. You went from we need to do the most strict test or else its useless to "oh we can't do the most strict testing ....."

[djtmal]

Both fighters were taking tests, not just manny. Never said manny was guilty of ped use.

Manny would not have tested positive because the commission were not using an effective testing protocol.

You just said yourself Manny refused to take the test so that automatically considered him positive. You said that. So obviously you believe that.

Please, leave the Floyd spin doctor bias alone, and stick to the point of the topic which is Manny being accused of PED's with no proof yet so far. If you don't mind.

Ok, you say both fighters are taking Olympic testing, by Floyd's stipulation not the commissions thats as much a factor in this whole thing as Pacquaio just refusing the sh**, why you juuust gotta make Pacquaio guilty of something. Why can't it be both dudes fault and let it rest.

[The Tase]

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0 evidence of ped use.

unlimited amount of reaching by repugnant flaming fl 0m0s...

Priceless.

[hectari]

Dunn keeps telling lies, Pac never refused to drug testing, they were trying to negotiate drug testing for the blood tests, which many fighters are superstitious and Pac had an interview in 2005 saying he felt it weakened him and was used as a tactic. But guys like Dunn won't give him anything, they ignore that and stick to him as a ducker of drug tests.

Dunn already admit he is pro black and even said its wrong to accuse a black man of something even though the black man is guilty and has a long criminal record, yet he shows his bias by accusing a filipino man without a shred of record or evidence.


Dunn shouldn't be taken serious when he is race biased. he is the same guy who reports anyone for racism and plays the race card, smh.

[The Big Dunn]

You just said yourself Manny refused to take the test so that automatically considered him positive. You said that. So obviously you believe that.

Please, leave the Floyd spin doctor bias alone, and stick to the point of the topic which is Manny being accused of PED's with no proof yet so far. If you don't mind.

Ok, you say both fighters are taking Olympic testing, by Floyd's stipulation not the commissions thats as much a factor in this whole thing as Pacquaio just refusing the sh**, why you juuust gotta make Pacquaio guilty of something. Why can't it be both dudes fault and let it rest.

I never said he was automatically guilty. I said refusing is considered the same as a positive.

I've addressed the proof issue-there will be no proof if the only testing being taken isn't good enough to catch those using.

I am not making him guilt of anything-manny made himself su****ious by refusing testing. That's what paulie said.

You just don't want me to mention manny refusing. Sorry, but he did. If he hadn't paulie wouldn't have anything to say.

[DondiNeverLeft]

Is there a single shred of evidence that shows OJ Simpson killed?

So then, he is innocent.

[DeadLikeMe]

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0 evidence of ped use.

unlimited amount of reaching by repugnant flaming fl 0m0s...

Priceless.

About half of which are saying he looks very bad because of it. It is great to see that roughly half of boxingscene thinks Pacquiao's actions were su****ious. Compare that to 2-3 years ago where 90% of this thread would have been pacfans decrying Floyd's request. Could this mean in another 2-3 years this same thread will be 90% people agreeing Pac's actions were sketchy? Who knows, but it certainly seems to be trending that way as many Pacfan's interest in boxing has waned.