Comments Thread For: Canelo-Lara: Yoandris Salinas Aims To Be Impressive

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Still no idea what is up with Salinas he was comfortably outboxing Quigg then just seemed to totally shut off. He didn't look particularly tired, almost disinterested.

He had the opportunity of a lifetime.

Lack of rounds? Didnt know how to pace himself? The time zone? Who knows.

[racostaa]

I don't see why my opinion of a particular fighter should have any connection with my quality as a person. lol I have my opinion, you guys have yours.

I've only watched Salinas fight once, versus Quigg. I had read about him for some time and was very curious to see what he looked like. I was not impressed. What I saw was a decent fighter who was lucky to get a draw with Quigg, a guy who's not especially good himself.

I want every Cuban fighter to be great, but that's an impossibility. One of our greatest talents just lost this past weekend.

Please, we are countrymen and honestly I don't want to offend you. I have been reding your comments and you seems to be reasonable. But in the world of opinions about boxing, I believe that Cuban boxing school is superior to many others and that was proven in the last World Boxing championship and during the history. Also I believe others promoters are been moved by nationals or economic reasons to block or disrail the cubans path. Thats what happened with Gamboa who was forced to move to 135 because Arum and GB didn;t wanted to make the fight suitable for him. Also is happening with Barthelemy, Rigo etc and the only way for me to help is saying the injustice in all posible fórum. I really can't be naive to believe this game of boxing and promoters are not against cubans and I'll be defend my guys. I can't tolerate injustice, sorry, is my opinión.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Please, we are countrymen and honestly I don't want to offend you. I have been reding your comments and you seems to be reasonable. But in the world of opinions about boxing, I believe that Cuban boxing school is superior to many others and that was proven in the last World Boxing championship and during the history. Also I believe others promoters are been moved by nationals or economic reasons to block or disrail the cubans path. Thats what happened with Gamboa who was forced to move to 135 because Arum and GB didn;t wanted to make the fight suitable for him. Also is happening with Barthelemy, Rigo etc and the only way for me to help is saying the injustice in all posible fórum. I really can't be naive to believe this game of boxing and promoters are not against cubans and I'll be defend my guys. I can't tolerate injustice, sorry, is my opinión.

Yes, it's your opinion, and you're more than welcome to express it. That's what this forum is all about.

Many of the tools Cuban amateurs have acquired will serve them well in the pros, but some will not. The Cuban School of Boxing, as it currently stands, was designed for amateur success. To that end, it's great. No doubt about it. But it's like assuming that a guy with a degree from Harvard University will be amongst the best in his field. He has an advantage over many, but it's not so simple. In the end, it's all about the individual, not where he was educated or where he comes from.

Gamboa fucked Arum by walking out on their contract. I love Yuri, but do you honestly think a guy like that isn't going to get messed with? People don't want to do business with someone with a history of not holding up his end of a deal. It's just the way it is. Gamboa has no one but himself to blame for what's happened to his career. It's a damn shame. He could've been a star. Even in defeat, he showed that.

As for the other Cuban fighters, you have a point. The problem is that boxing is a business, and many Cubans -- with the notable exception of Gamboa, Perez and Hernandez -- don't fight in a way that promoters and networks find marketable. I don't know what to tell you. People go into business to make money, not to lose it. There's no doubt in my mind that everyone would jump at the chance to promote a Cuban Mike Tyson. There's no conspiracy, but there might be some prejudice. That'll change as the Cubans continue to adapt to the pro style. On July 12, Lara can go a long way towards changing the perception of Cuban boxers...or towards reinforcing it.

[racostaa]

Yes, it's your opinion, and you're more than welcome to express it. That's what this forum is all about.

Many of the tools Cuban amateurs have acquired will serve them well in the pros, but some will not. The Cuban School of Boxing, as it currently stands, was designed for amateur success. To that end, it's great. No doubt about it. But it's like assuming that a guy with a degree from Harvard University will be amongst the best in his field. He has an advantage over many, but it's not so simple. In the end, it's all about the individual, not where he was educated or where he comes from.

Gamboa fucked Arum by walking out on their contract. I love Yuri, but do you honestly think a guy like that isn't going to get messed with? People don't want to do business with someone with a history of not holding up his end of a deal. It's just the way it is. Gamboa has no one but himself to blame for what's happened to his career. It's a damn shame. He could've been a star. Even in defeat, he showed that.

As for the other Cuban fighters, you have a point. The problem is that boxing is a business, and many Cubans -- with the notable exception of Gamboa, Perez and Hernandez -- don't fight in a way that promoters and networks find marketable. I don't know what to tell you. People go into business to make money, not to lose it. There's no doubt in my mind that everyone would jump at the chance to promote a Cuban Mike Tyson. There's no conspiracy, but there might be some prejudice. That'll change as the Cubans continue to adapt to the pro style. On July 12, Lara can go a long way towards changing the perception of Cuban boxers...or towards reinforcing it.

You have several points in what you said. Im not sure about what exactly happened with Gamboa an Arum with the contract. There are several ways to legally dismiss a contract because Im not sure arum made everything in a fair way that made him to be tight to the contract (Im thinking in a legal figure called Exeption non rite adimpleti contractus, please google it to undestand me). At least let say Gamboa didn't have all the representation power to deal with the almighty Arum.
The good point is we both will enjoy the Lara fight and I hope we both will want our fighter be able to win. Lets enjoyed.

[Bardock]

I don't see why my opinion of a particular fighter should have any connection with my quality as a person. lol I have my opinion, you guys have yours.

I've only watched Salinas fight once, versus Quigg. I had read about him for some time and was very curious to see what he looked like. I was not impressed. What I saw was a decent fighter who was lucky to get a draw with Quigg, a guy who's not especially good himself.

I want every Cuban fighter to be great, but that's an impossibility. One of our greatest talents just lost this past weekend. It's a damn shame, because he's ruined his career with inactivity due to promotional problems of his own creation. Besides Gamboa, there are only a very few top-quality Cuban fighters. Rigo is at the top; Lara is probably next; then there's Hernandez; then there's everyone else.

I took some heat on Youtube from a few Cuban fans a few years ago, because I said I didn't think Yordanis Ugas was that good. It appears I was right. I had hopes for Angelo Santana, but he's not living up to my expectations.

I'm certainly not an expert, but I don't think it takes one to see that Salinas just isn't that good. And by that I mean that he's not a championship-level fighter capable of holding a belt for any length of time. I put Yoandris in the same category with Luis Franco. Decent fighters who can pose problems against good opposition. That's it.

lol even the OG Cubano calls shiet how he sees it not like these nationalistic dck riders racosta, and bendover

[CubanGuyNYC]

You have several points in what you said. Im not sure about what exactly happened with Gamboa an Arum with the contract. There are several ways to legally dismiss a contract because Im not sure arum made everything in a fair way that made him to be tight to the contract (Im thinking in a legal figure called Exeption non rite adimpleti contractus, please google it to undestand me). At least let say Gamboa didn't have all the representation power to deal with the almighty Arum.
The good point is we both will enjoy the Lara fight and I hope we both will want our fighter be able to win. Lets enjoyed.

Whatever the legal details of Yuri's contract were, he still should've understood what he was embarking on when he walked out on Bob. I supported Gamboa's decision to part ways with Arum, with the understanding that the real reason behind the move was getting away from Arena Box and Oner. It was a gamble and Yuri lost. When you lose, you have to pay the consequences.

The payback has been three years of almost complete inactivity. Three primes years in the life of an exceptional talent, a gifted athlete. Gamboa could've had, conservatively speaking, nine fights in that same amount of time. He could've easily built his pro experience, his record, his name and his reputation. All gone. I hope Yuri can salvage what's left of his career. I really do.

[racostaa]

Whatever the legal details of Yuri's contract were, he still should've understood what he was embarking on when he walked out on Bob. I supported Gamboa's decision to part ways with Arum, with the understanding that the real reason behind the move was getting away from Arena Box and Oner. It was a gamble and Yuri lost. When you lose, you have to pay the consequences.

The payback has been three years of almost complete inactivity. Three primes years in the life of an exceptional talent, a gifted athlete. Gamboa could've had, conservatively speaking, nine fights in that same amount of time. He could've easily built his pro experience, his record, his name and his reputation. All gone. I hope Yuri can salvage what's left of his career. I really do.

Is true Arum won over Gamboa, but for me is an injustice. He probably had good reasons to do what he did but without a good representation. Also Rigo has suffering after he won Nonito and Arum has been choosing oponents for make him look bad. The difference is what is our attitude over the injustice. My attitude is to don;t stop to say my truth and fight it. I respect if you accept it nicely. Of course, In the case of our fighters I can't do nothing, but in this fórum I won't stop to say what for me is true.
Let's enjoy this month full of our countrymen fighting. I still believe will be great. Yuri even loosing showed a lot of attitude and opportunities in lower divisions. I'm not sure he is lost if he can rearrange his path hopefully with AlHaymon like others

[Loque-san]

Whatever the legal details of Yuri's contract were, he still should've understood what he was embarking on when he walked out on Bob. I supported Gamboa's decision to part ways with Arum, with the understanding that the real reason behind the move was getting away from Arena Box and Oner. It was a gamble and Yuri lost. When you lose, you have to pay the consequences.

The payback has been three years of almost complete inactivity. Three primes years in the life of an exceptional talent, a gifted athlete. Gamboa could've had, conservatively speaking, nine fights in that same amount of time. He could've easily built his pro experience, his record, his name and his reputation. All gone. I hope Yuri can salvage what's left of his career. I really do.

Gamboa not showing up at the press conference in Miami was not a mistake. The mistake he made was accepting the Rios fight in the first place. When he was offered this fight, he should have flat out said: "No! I fight at 126, this guy fights at 135 and he can't even make weight" or something like that. Bob Arum wanted to make Rios a star, not Gamboa. Anyone who has been following Boxing for a while can understand that. Rios is a Mexican-American brawler who is never in a boring fight while Gamboa is a Cuban boxer and he has been involved in "disappointing' fights as far as entertainment is concerned. You said business? Therefore Rios had two advantages over Gamboa: a potential fanbase, and a more fan-friendly style. Bob knew it, and he tried to feed Yuri to a much bigger fighter, three weight classes north. That is not how you promote a fighter. If they believed in him, and since he wanted to move up in weight, they should have offered him fights at 130 like they did with Mikey. Gamboa definitely made a mistake, but Bob Arum gave him no choice.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Is true Arum won over Gamboa, but for me is an injustice. He probably had good reasons to do what he did but without a good representation. Also Rigo has suffering after he won Nonito and Arum has been choosing oponents for make him look bad. The difference is what is our attitude over the injustice. My attitude is to don;t stop to say my truth and fight it. I respect if you accept it nicely. Of course, In the case of our fighters I can't do nothing, but in this fórum I won't stop to say what for me is true.
Let's enjoy this month full of our countrymen fighting. I still believe will be great. Yuri even loosing showed a lot of attitude and opportunities in lower divisions. I'm not sure he is lost if he can rearrange his path hopefully with AlHaymon like others

You see, there's no way you can know this. I have made some assumptions as well, but they're all regarding Oner, a man with a very shady reputation. Even this is speculation. The one thing we know for certain is that Gamboa walked out on his contract. Everything else is conjecture.

Rigo is a different story. I've been very vocal about how poorly Arum has represented him. I have no problem pointing out injustice, but I have to believe that the injustice exists.

I hope we see Yuri in big fights again. It appears as though he's found a lot of new fans in defeat. Everyone respects the kind of effort and courage he had on display. Sometimes when you lose, you win.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Gamboa not showing up at the press conference in Miami was not a mistake. The mistake he made was accepting the Rios fight in the first place. When he was offered this fight, he should have flat out said: "No! I fight at 126, this guy fights at 135 and he can't even make weight" or something like that. Bob Arum wanted to make Rios a star, not Gamboa. Anyone who has been following Boxing for a while can understand that. Rios is a Mexican-American brawler who is never in a boring fight while Gamboa is a Cuban boxer and he has been involved in "disappointing' fights as far as entertainment is concerned. You said business? Therefore Rios had two advantages over Gamboa: a potential fanbase, and a more fan-friendly style. Bob knew it, and he tried to feed Yuri to a much bigger fighter, three weight classes north. That is not how you promote a fighter. If they believed in him, and since he wanted to move up in weight, they should have offered him fights at 130 like they did with Mikey. Gamboa definitely made a mistake, but Bob Arum gave him no choice.

If you can say, "No!," it implies you have a choice. Very few people know what really happened in that affair. I have my own ideas, but they're hardly worth expressing at this point.

And, by the way, the only Gamboa fight that came close to "disappointing" before the Rios fiasco was Ponce De Leon. Yuri fought in an way that was very unusual for him. Before that fight, Gamboa was one of the most electrifying boxers in the sport.

Ironically, the version of Rios Abril beat might've made Yuri an overnight star. Gamboa's career will always be tied to the decisions he made in those days.