Chavez Jr/TBA and Segura/Estrada double header September 13th?!

[Hook-Right]

Totally agree, there are some great fighters and fights in those divisions.. Roman Gonzalez-Estrada 2 is the fight I most wanna see in the lower weights



Froch is very known in the USA at least by boxing fans, he has had a lot of high profiled fights in tv in the states for many years now..
Everyone will know that froch-Chavez would be a war, and it would put a huge dent into Floyd's butyrate, and I actually think that Chavez-froch is one of the few fights that could Floyd's fight, especially since he doesn't have a blockbuster opponent for sept

Hardcore US boxing fans know Froch, but I'm talking about the casuals, who watch 3-4 fights a year, and buy 1-2 PPVs. They are the ones who make a PPV successfully.

If you went to the average casual boxing fan here, and asked about Froch, they would give you a blank look. If boxing was a bigger sport, like it used to be, that might be different. I hope it does change obviously.

Every single one of the casual fans knows Mayweather. Hell, the average sports fan here is familiar with Floyd. And a good amount of casual boxing fans have now heard of Maidana, bc of how close the 1st fight was.

Also, it seems like you're saying that Chavez-Froch could outsell Floyd's next fight on PPV. I would bet any amount of money off site with you (through PayPal or something) that that doesn't happen.

Casual fans just saw Mayweater look extremely vulnerable. That's gonna help his next PPV.

Plus, Chavez is slowly losing his popularity. He still gets ratings, but Arum even said back in Jan/Feb that JCC-Vera 2 didn't sell tix like it should have.

Canelo is firmly #1 in that demo now.

[dc3383]

I really wish people would stop acting like Chavez jr vs Froch is a huge event when it's not; people watch Chavez Jr on free HBO but nobody went out there to pay 59.99 on PPV vs Martinez which did around the same numbers as the Cotto fight with Martinez. I know people want them hurt Floyd's numbers but serious he doing close to or a million with likes Guerrero and Maidana when the American audience didn't care to Froch vs Groves but now it's a mega event to make Floyd move his date be serious.

[TOBYLEE1]

A big card with a TBA thrown in there. At least there is still time to secure a credible opponent

[Hougigo]

I really wish people would stop acting like Chavez jr vs Froch is a huge event when it's not; people watch Chavez Jr on free HBO but nobody went out there to pay 59.99 on PPV vs Martinez which did around the same numbers as the Cotto fight with Martinez. I know people want them hurt Floyd's numbers but serious he doing close to or a million with likes Guerrero and Maidana when the American audience didn't care to Froch vs Groves but now it's a mega event to make Floyd move his date be serious.

So it's a million or nothing?

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I really wish people would stop acting like Chavez jr vs Froch is a huge event when it's not; people watch Chavez Jr on free HBO but nobody went out there to pay 59.99 on PPV vs Martinez which did around the same numbers as the Cotto fight with Martinez. I know people want them hurt Floyd's numbers but serious he doing close to or a million with likes Guerrero and Maidana when the American audience didn't care to Froch vs Groves but now it's a mega event to make Floyd move his date be serious.

You're talking like thats a bad thing. Considering that was Chavez Jr's first PPV and you're comparing him to the 3rd highest selling boxer.

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I really wish people would stop acting like Chavez jr vs Froch is a huge event when it's not; people watch Chavez Jr on free HBO but nobody went out there to pay 59.99 on PPV vs Martinez which did around the same numbers as the Cotto fight with Martinez. I know people want them hurt Floyd's numbers but serious he doing close to or a million with likes Guerrero and Maidana when the American audience didn't care to Froch vs Groves but now it's a mega event to make Floyd move his date be serious.

Chavez Martinez actually sold a couple hundred thousand more than what is being reported for cotto Martinez if I'm not mistaken.

If Chavez Froch does get made for this date it would hurt Floyd's PPV sales given the majority of boxing fans are Mexican. Probably not outsell Floyd, but definitely hurt the PPV sales.

[dc3383]

Chavez Martinez actually sold a couple hundred thousand more than what is being reported for cotto Martinez if I'm not mistaken.

If Chavez Froch does get made for this date it would hurt Floyd's PPV sales given the majority of boxing fans are Mexican. Probably not outsell Floyd, but definitely hurt the PPV sales.

Where the hell do you get that stat from and how can that be proven; hurting Floyd numbers doesn't help them or make them look good when if you can have your own date make more of profit. Bob Arum is a lot things but ****** isn't one of them he's about maximizing his profits.

[dc3383]

You're talking like thats a bad thing. Considering that was Chavez Jr's first PPV and you're comparing him to the 3rd highest selling boxer.

His stock was a lot higher in that fight than what it is currently. He was at least making weight and improving; now he does what he wants and his gates have been decreasing.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

His stock was a lot higher in that fight than what it is currently. He was at least making weight and improving; now he does what he wants and his gates have been decreasing.

Now you're just talking out your ass buddy without looking up FACTS.

HBO's second major boxing show of the year has yielded some impressive TV numbers.

If you're wondering why HBO so graciously rolled out the welcome mat for Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. following the debacle last September when he ended up weighing 173 pounds for his fight with Bryan Vera that was supposed to be contested at super middleweight (among other various weights throughout the weeks leading up to the fight), here is your answer.

In spite of Chavez Jr. being an embarrassment at the scales and receiving a bogus decision over Vera this past autumn, he is still unquestionably one of the biggest names in the sport. The live crowd, which was reportedly a little over 7,000, was a disappointment, but the Nielsen ratings are another story.

Today it's being reported that Saturday's rematch between Chavez and Vera did an impressive 1.39 million average and peaked at 1.53 million. This is going to stand as one of HBO's highest rated boxing cards of the year, and it may take home the gold when the dust is settled in December. In fact, the card performed so well that the undercard fight between Orlando Salido and Vasyl Lomachenko averaged 1.017 million viewers. That's excellent for a fight between two guys who are not well-known to mainstream audiences, and the fight started off pretty bad in terms of excitement if we're being honest.

What does this mean? Even though Chavez did a mediocre job of bringing in people to fill the Alamodome in San Antonio, he is still a major TV draw despite his recent issues. And TV, whether everyone likes it or not, is where a lot of the money comes from. He's a legitimate big name in an industry that craves stars, and with the war currently taking place between HBO/Top Rank and Showtime/Golden Boy, his value is at a premium.

There's been talk of him fighting Gennady Golovkin on PPV this fall, but it remains to be seen. Golovkin has never headlined a major PPV but has seen his own Nielsen ratings rise over the last two years. I'm not sure how a Chavez/Golovkin PPV would perform, especially if it takes place around a Floyd Mayweather fight in September and a Manny Pacquiao fight in October or November. If they were to tango on HBO, however, it would be a very big deal.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/3/4/5470262/chavez-vs-vera-ii-card-produces-strong-numbers-hbo-salido-lomachenko-boxing-news

7k attendance is good but kinda low for a Mexican. 1.3m-1.5m viewers isn't.

vs Froch he would sell out any venue and do at least 500k viewers.

[dc3383]

Now you're just talking out your ass buddy without looking up FACTS.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2014/3/4/5470262/chavez-vs-vera-ii-card-produces-strong-numbers-hbo-salido-lomachenko-boxing-news

7k attendance is good but kinda low for a Mexican. 1.3m-1.5m viewers isn't.

vs Froch he would sell out any venue and do at least 500k viewers.

I never said he didn't still get views on free HBO; but fans willing to $800 plus for premium seats or $60 dollars PPV vs guy who is huge in the UK but hasn't hit to well with the American audience.