Why is it the only ones who don't want Cold War to end are Floyd fans?

[smoothsmg]

how can pac do anything about it when floyd says he wont do business with arum??? what pac is doing is putting it out there letting floyd knows that he has agreed to everything floyd is asking so its up to floyd if he wants it or not. and u bringing up the 40mil offer, i thought u said this means nothing if it wasnt brought up at the neogtiation table? LOL. u see what i mean, when pac says something u go that means nothing he didnt say that during negotiation, and now u're here bringing up floyd's 40mil offer to pac? LOL

It was a one on one conversation, not a conversation through the media. Floyd called Manny, and tried to get something started, Manny talks about what he will do/give/take through the media. Yes, fighters talk through the media ALL THE TIME, but when this has been going on since 2009, the best thing to do is try and get something started, like Floyd did, and not through the media. If they are trying to work something out and Manny brings something to Floyd cool, but most to all of Manny's talking has been through the media. Floyd actually tried to get something going, a negotiation starter, which was immediately rejected.

Question: What sounds better, calling someone on the phone and saying we can do this/that, or telling a 3rd/4th party what you with do with a person instead of trying to talk to that person?

[smoothsmg]

Prior to that Pac said he'll take a lesser split in case you forgot to remember that.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...otential-fight

"I'm waiting for that fight to happen," said Pacquiao, boxing's only eight-division world champion. "I don't know what's the reason why that fight has not happened. ... It's OK for me if he gets a higher percentage than me."

In January, Mayweather (43-0, 26 KOs), a five-division champion, and Pacquiao (54-4-2, 38 KOs) spoke on the phone about a possible deal during which Mayweather offered to pay him a flat fee of $40 million for a proposed fight but would not allow him to share in the revenue. In the original negotiation, Mayweather agreed to a 50-50 split.

"I spoke to Floyd ... and he offered me an amount," Pacquiao said. "He didn't talk about the pay-per-views here and that's it. I can't agree with that. I told him I agree with 55 and 45 (split)."

What does the 55/45 equate to and what is it for? Is that a PPV split? If that is upfront money, I dont think Manny deserves that much considering how much more money Floyd has made over the past 4 years than Manny. But the last line says alot, "He didnt talk about pay per views here." Considering Cotto, Canelo, and Maidana got ppv back end, I doubt Manny would have not received some.

[Deevel916]

What does the 55/45 equate to and what is it for? Is that a PPV split? If that is upfront money, I dont think Manny deserves that much considering how much more money Floyd has made over the past 4 years than Manny. But the last line says alot, "He didnt talk about pay per views here." Considering Cotto, Canelo, and Maidana got ppv back end, I doubt Manny would have not received some.

Well it has to be about the ppv split. Floyd has nothing to do with Pac's guarantee. . That comes from arum.

[NormC]

Why does that matter to anyone but him, though? As a boxing fan I can give a f.ck less who's getting the short end of the stick because at the end of the day I'm not spending any of that money. I just wanna see great fights

Exactly..Why boxing fans care about the business side of things I will never understand. Last time I checked, we weren't part of the payroll. Who cares if Arum is a dirt bag, who cares if Schaefer screwed De La Hoya??? Let them worry about those things, just make great fights.

[smoothsmg]

Well it has to be about the ppv split. Floyd has nothing to do with Pac's guarantee. . That comes from arum.

You know what I wonder about alot. When Arum says Manny is guaranteed 20 million (for instance) and he gets a 6 million dollare check (confirmed by NSAC), where does this extra 14 (or maybe 20 million if he is guaranteed 26 million) come from? Especially when the PPV does not do well.

[Deevel916]

You know what I wonder about alot. When Arum says Manny is guaranteed 20 million (for instance) and he gets a 6 million dollare check (confirmed by NSAC), where does this extra 14 (or maybe 20 million if he is guaranteed 26 million) come from? Especially when the PPV does not do well.

A certain percentage of the guarantee has to be paid to the fighter on fight night with the remainder being distributed shortly after. Ppv revenue is a totally different story

[smoothsmg]

A certain percentage of the guarantee has to be paid to the fighter on fight night with the remainder being distributed shortly after. Ppv revenue is a totally different story

So where does this 14 million come from? Seems like it would make more sense to pay a higher percentage of the guarantee on the front end instead of back end.

[Evol]

It was a one on one conversation, not a conversation through the media. Floyd called Manny, and tried to get something started, Manny talks about what he will do/give/take through the media. Yes, fighters talk through the media ALL THE TIME, but when this has been going on since 2009, the best thing to do is try and get something started, like Floyd did, and not through the media. If they are trying to work something out and Manny brings something to Floyd cool, but most to all of Manny's talking has been through the media. Floyd actually tried to get something going, a negotiation starter, which was immediately rejected.

Question: What sounds better, calling someone on the phone and saying we can do this/that, or telling a 3rd/4th party what you with do with a person instead of trying to talk to that person?

honestly its the same thing unless it was said during negotiation. pac can say yes i agree to everything and then backed out when the time comes to negotiate and the same can be said for floyd. floyd can make any offer he wants but it wont mean anything also because floyd can easily say he never said that, etc.

but what im saying here is pac is actually coming out and saying he's agreed to all of floyd's demand. this is sonmething pac has never done before. so this is a baby step from making the fight happen. if floyd is interested all he has to do is say something. im not saying floyd has to call pac and say hey lets talk, but all floyd has to do is answer pac just like what pac did. if floyd would come out and say something like ok, since u agreed to take less and take the test tell ur people to call my people and lets talk.

u know for sure someone from TR would contact floyd's people. but instead we dont hear anything from floyd regarding interest in this fight, instead what we get from floyd is, manny needs to rematch marquez and bradley first and show me pac's last ppv #'s. now let me ask u this, does that sound like a person who is interested in making the fight?

[Deevel916]

So where does this 14 million come from? Seems like it would make more sense to pay a higher percentage of the guarantee on the front end instead of back end.

My guess is that Arum pays the fight night percentage out of pocket while waiting for sponser money, gate, etc to pay the remainder. Only a person with inside knowledge would know for sure though. I do know that the guarantee is totally seperate from ppv revenue though.

[#1Assassin]

thats not true, floyd left bob way before 2009. so u're telling me there was never any negotiation in 09 for the fight between floyd and pac? it wasnt until the end of 2012 to early 2013 when floyd says he will never work with arum again. and can u answer this for me? ---

one thing i find funny is that when floyd says he will never work with bob and TR, the floyd fans jump up in joy. but when arum says the same that he will never work with shaeffer, all of a sudden arum is ruining boxing, he's the devil? can someone explain this to me? and before anyone says anything, NO, i am not defending arum!

floyd said he would never work with arum again when he left TRP, this is a well documented fact.

at times he (or his people) did negotiate with arum, primarily for the pacquiao fight. we all know how floyd goes back and forth, there have been times when he seemed willing to make the fight despite his feelings towards arum and there have been times when he seems to have given up on the thought.

none the less he did say he would never work with arum when he left and has stuck by it for the most part. just because he briefly changed his tune in 09' doesnt mean he never said it beforehand.

as for the second part, you are wrong. or at least halfway wrong. there are those who do what you describe, who have no problem with shaeffer or floyd not wanting any part of arum but then crucify arum for not wanting to work with them.

there are also the opposite, who say floyd and shaeffer are whats wrong with boxing for their stance against arum yet applaud bob regardless what he does.

it goes both ways, we have the arum/pac side and we have the shaeffer/floyd side. both will twist things and blatantly lie to shift blame on the other camp.

those of us who are realistic realize both sides are to blame, how much can be debated. i personally feel its more arums fault, but im in no way pretending floyd and shaeffer arent to blame too. just like there are realistic people who feel arum is less to blame, but reasonable enough to admit he isnt blame free altogether.

only the extreme fans with no common sense will act as if one side is completely to blame and rejoice over anything the people they are backing do and say. guys like that exists on both sides too.