Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/14/2014

[daggum]

the art of boxing is whatever your fav fighter happens to be doing at that moment

marquez gets outlanded in the third pac fight but lands the heavier blows-that's boxing

algeri outlands ruslan with pitty-pat shots while ruslan lands the heavier blows-that's boxing

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

the art of boxing is whatever your fav fighter happens to be doing at that moment

marquez gets outlanded in the third pac fight but lands the heavier blows-that's boxing

algeri outlands ruslan with pitty-pat shots while ruslan lands the heavier blows-that's boxing

Not really, that's just over simplifying it and not looking at the detailed picture. In the JMM vs Pac fight, it was razor close. In this one, outside of the first round, Ruslan was out landed by a landslide in the next 9 rounds.

You can make the argument of hard shots vs pitty pat shots, but it was not even close how much more Algerie was landing than him.

Also, those shots are not as light as some think...lol Getting hit with 8 oz gloves, for 12 rounds by a pro boxer isn't pitty pat. Sure he wasn't bringing the power like Ruslan was, but he landed some nice right hands and left hooks in that fight.

Also Ruslan's head is made of concrete.

[KingTito]

Great post. I predicted Ruslan to steam roll Algieri, and I was way off.

[CubanGuyNYC]

There's a reason I brought this up. Training with more and more MMA fighters, I have come to understand the sport better and better. I understand how physical strength plays a huge part in MMA and not so much in boxing.

Obviously power is an asset you would like to have, but you don't need to a KO puncher to be a great fighter. Not that Algerie is a great fighter, but he showed that there's more than one way to skin a cat.

He boxed a much stronger, aggressive fighter who wants to hurt you. Algerie got on his bike and just moved beautifully, and really took it to him for most of the fight.

You can eat raw meat, you can grow up in Siberia, you can be as intimidating as you can possibly be in a sport full of intimidating men. That won't guarantee you a win, because ultimately skill wins over toughness, even toughness is a major part of the sport and Algerie showed both.

Do you consider MMA "real" fighting? I consider it a much more realistic approximation of fighting than boxing, if only because the combatants can "take it to the ground." Any real fight I ever witnessed (or partook in) wound up with the fighters tangled up in some way. If one guy has any boxing experience, he tends to start a fight off applying his skills. If the other guy has any fighting sense at all, but less skill than the boxer, he grabs and things get real messy, real fast. One of the things that makes boxing so cool as a sport is that it's a cleaner form of combat. It's the main reason why I prefer watching it over MMA.

[daggum]

Not really, that's just over simplifying it and not looking at the detailed picture. In the JMM vs Pac fight, it was razor close. In this one, outside of the first round, Ruslan was out landed by a landslide in the next 9 rounds.

You can make the argument of hard shots vs pitty pat shots, but it was not even close how much more Algerie was landing than him.

Also, those shots are not as light as some think...lol Getting hit with 8 oz gloves, for 12 rounds by a pro boxer isn't pitty pat. Sure he wasn't bringing the power like Ruslan was, but he landed some nice right hands and left hooks in that fight.

Also Ruslan's head is made of concrete.

pac outlanded marquez in almost every round just like algeri. what's the difference? it was a little closer in connects? i didn't know there was a formula for how many punches a hard punch is worth compared to a light punch. according to a lot of people on here algeri landed more therefore he won. same reasoning doesn't apply for other fights though. if pac's name was algeri the i love boxers fan club would say he kept marquez at bay and outworked/outlanded/busted up marquez while only occasionally getting hit and taking no damage. that's not boxing! pac was schooled! boxing is algeri on the ropes taking big shots/getting busted up/and landing feather punches that did no damage. clearly one is better than the other.

[Ray Corso]

Number one his damaged eye dictated his actions! He RAN!
He didn't use lateral movement to set up combos or dictate Rock's movement.

The bottom line is that Rock looked like he weighed 160lbs instead 148lbs.
He was much slower and deliberate in this fight than in others.

Chris did no damage at all, his punches were all thrown "moving away"!!!

If anyone thinks this is what boxing should be you better not but two of these guys together because people will need gallons of coffee to get through a night.

I give Chris honors in bravery and guts but when powder punching is scored one to one with meaningful shots your going to see pro boxing get closer and closer to the amaeur style and that style .....listen to me......."doesn't pay"!

This wasn't Willie Pep or Ray Leonard it was a fighter with a damaged eye that did his best to survive against a fighter who looked bored and over weight.

The fighters can't be blamed but the matchmakers need to be brought up on "ripping ticket holders off"!

The Jr. Middle bout should have gotten the promoters and matchmakers ARRESTED!

Lastly neither one of these guys are any where near great fighters/boxers regardless of this bout! Anyone who thought that lil' Rock was an ultimate talent with all kinds of skills is a moron!

Same for Chris, a good boxer with no power who comes to the ring in shape and tries to win.
They were complete opposites and the distance between them was to much to bring a competitive bout forward. Physically the distance was to much too!!!

Both fights were terrible match ups!
Ray Corso

[Jsmooth9876]

Great post...I'm laughing at these guys saying Algeri "ran" all night. The kid used excellent footwork and natural athletic ability to move around the ring, meanwhile landing tons of crisp jabs and solid right hands and even uppercuts and body shots. Everyone wants to see the knock out but nobody seems to appreciate real boxing anymore.

[SplitSecond]

provodnikov looked lazy is all i really remember while watching the fight, was a boring fight, didn't pay much attention, did notice ruslan was headhunting, and badly, and i've noticed before it's a weakness of his, with the punching power this guy has, he fights like abraham, minus the bursts of offense atleast once a round

i thought algieri would outbox ruslan as long as it lasted but eventually ruslan would ko him, didn't happen, so he lost on the cards, he didn't really fight like he wanted to win, entire fight didn't feel much urgency from him as he lost like 4 rd's in a row

[SplitSecond]

Great post...I'm laughing at these guys saying Algeri "ran" all night. The kid used excellent footwork and natural athletic ability to move around the ring, meanwhile landing tons of crisp jabs and solid right hands and even uppercuts and body shots. Everyone wants to see the knock out but nobody seems to appreciate real boxing anymore.

he did run, throwing those pitty pat punches isn't offense, even for a guy like algieri, he showed with some vicious left hooks and some people also mentioned some body shot that looked like if he landed that all night, provodnikov would be in a world of hurt, but instead he fell into the pitty pat-move away tactic, which is basically being on the complete defensive

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Do you consider MMA "real" fighting? I consider it a much more realistic approximation of fighting than boxing, if only because the combatants can "take it to the ground." Any real fight I ever witnessed (or partook in) wound up with the fighters tangled up in some way. If one guy has any boxing experience, he tends to start a fight off applying his skills. If the other guy has any fighting sense at all, but less skill than the boxer, he grabs and things get real messy, real fast. One of the things that makes boxing so cool as a sport is that it's a cleaner form of combat. It's the main reason why I prefer watching it over MMA.

Like you said, it's the closest thing to real hand to hand combat in the street. When the UFC began, it was brutal. No weight classes, almost no rules. I just think when you incorporate any type of grappling, it changes the dynamics of a fight.

You need physical strength to master that, as well as skill. In boxing, how much you bench, or how many muscles you have is pretty much irrelevant.