Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/14/2014

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  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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    #1

    Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/14/2014

    Andrade vs Rose:

    This is the type of match up that upsets me. Who thought that Rose was remotely ready to face someone like Andrade? It was such a one sided fight, and I honestly thought that it should have been stopped about 2 rounds before it actually was.

    Rose did nothing, he put his ear muffs on and just stood there for Andrade to tee off on him. Not taking any credit away from Andrade because he did what he had to do against a fighter like Rose, but that was just awful to watch.

    Algerie vs Provodnikov:

    I was talking on here about this fight, and I predicted that it would be a very difficult fight for the Russian. After the end of the first round, I thought I would look ******..lol. He caught Algerie with a great left hook, but that was it. I thought Algerie boxed beautifully from pretty much the 4th round on, and wasn't getting hit often with those hard shots from the first round.

    This is one of those fights that comes down to taste in boxing style. I'm sure the fans of the brawler, action fighter are upset by this. Then there's the boxing purists who appreciate what Algerie did. For me, I have said many times that boxing is NOT fighting.

    In boxing you can't elbow, knee, kick, throw people on the ground, etc. It's a limited sport, that only allows you to hit people with your fists from the waist up. That's what makes boxing so beautiful, the fact we have different style even in a limited sport.We have fighters like Provodkikov who is a pressure fighter, brawler. Then we have fighters like Algerie who seem to glide on the canvas a pure boxer who has no power but uses his feet to equalize his deficiencies.

    Like him or not, Algerie did an amazing job in getting up twice off the canvas, having a badly swollen eye, and boxing for 12 rounds. He showed heart, determination and poise in not getting flustered after the initial shock of getting clobbered the way he did. Anyone who's ever been knocked down, knows how bad that can be mentally on a fighter.

    I had the fight 114-112 for Algerie, and I'm glad the refs agreed with me. Nacho Berenstein after the 3rd Pac fight said that he may have to change his coaching because it seemed the judges no longer appreciated the art of boxing. Well Algerie brought it back, and the judges in NY seemed to disagree with him. Boxing in the end is about hitting and not getting hit. We cannot turn into an unsophisticated boxing crowd and just want blood. There has to be room for both, because this is what boxing is about, styles.

    This is coming from someone that fought more like Provodnikov and teaches a very aggressive style. That doesn't mean you can't appreciate what a fighter like Algerie has done. For coming to boxing so late, having zero amateur experience, his footwork is amazing. If I had to critique his performance, I would say that he should learn to hold more on the ropes, and not just put those muffs on and take punches. He should also mix in some more off speed shots more, he did it once in a while but mix in a hard right hand behind all those jabs and touch hooks he was doing. Outside of that, he did a great job, and cong**** to him.

    As far as Provodnikov, he showed what he is, a limited brawler. No head movement, no body work, and little to no defense. I'm surprised that Roach didn't really push him to work the body more, but in his defense I think that eye had something to do with it. I think Ruslan saw the eye, and wanted to target it all night. He was loading up with the hook and over hand right, which is basically all he has. There's a reason Herrera outboxed him, and he will have a very tough time with anyone who is a good boxer in that weight.

    Also on a side note. HBO announcers are officially the worst in the game. If it wasn't for Andre Ward, we wouldn't have gotten any insight to what was happening in this fight. They were building up Provodnikov like he was some super hero, all the while disrespecting Algerie, with the exception of Ward. I used to like Max Kellerman, he was once an announcer who commentated about the match, and now has become an "expert" on boxing preaching to the masses. I really wish he would just shut up.

    Anyway, props to Algerie for a fantastic, gutsy performance.
  • SnakeVen0m
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    #2
    Good call on Algieri. I was one of the people who quickly wrote him off, and boy was I wrong. The dude can really box and props to him for fighting like that with 1 eye. He's truly talented and he showed some composure, will, and heart on Saturday. Much props to him for not letting the first round discourage him.

    Ruslan on the other hand admittedly said he like for fighters to stand and trade. That's one dimensional man. Should make people understand now that Bradley chose to fight against him like that in the first round and almost paid the price.

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    • bojangles1987
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      Algieri definitely made a fan of me. His eye was wrecked, but he never lost his cool, never abandoned his gameplan, and I also thought he won the fight. He controlled Provodnikov for large stretches, and that is not easy to do.

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      • Cuauhtémoc1520
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        #4
        Originally posted by SnakeVen0m
        Good call on Algieri. I was one of the people who quickly wrote him off, and boy was I wrong. The dude can really box and props to him for fighting like that with 1 eye. He's truly talented and he showed some composure, will, and heart on Saturday. Much props to him for not letting the first round discourage him.

        Ruslan on the other hand admittedly said he like for fighters to stand and trade. That's one dimensional man. Should make people understand now that Bradley chose to fight against him like that in the first round and almost paid the price.
        It was amazing how when Bradley decided to box in the middle rounds, he dominated Ruslan. I also think the first round changed the complexion of that fight, if he wasn't hurt that way, he wouldn't have been so flat footed.

        Everything Ruslan wanted happened in the fight vs Bradley and he still lost.

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        • -PBP-
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          Simply put, the boxer vs. brawler matchup is the best clash of styles in boxing, IMO. I really enjoyed that fight. I also had it 114-112 Algeiri.

          I think people give Ruslan too much credit for coming forward and landing an occasional hard shot. It's lazy scoring.

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          • CubanGuyNYC
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            #6
            Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520
            [B]...I have said many times that boxing is NOT fighting.

            In boxing you can't elbow, knee, kick, throw people on the ground, etc. It's a limited sport, that only allows you to hit people with your fists from the waist up. That's what makes boxing so beautiful, the fact we have different style even in a limited sport.We have fighters like Provodkikov who is a pressure fighter, brawler. Then we have fighters like Algerie who seem to glide on the canvas a pure boxer who has no power but uses his feet to equalize his deficiencies...
            Enjoyable post, Cuauh. Lots of stuff that can be commented on. I just want to focus on the above. I'm glad you brought up what I consider a consistently overlooked reality.

            I've loved boxing since I was a kid. It's certainly a great fighting skill to have, and I'd rather know how to box than not know how to box, but, ultimately, it's not real fighting. That statement is enough to spark a long-ass debate, but I'd like to focus on a smaller wrinkle. If one accepts that boxing isn't real fighting, that the rules are too restrictive for that, then one has to accept the pure boxer style. The dudes that refuse to accept this think boxing is pure fighting. Fighting is just one aspect, an obviously exciting aspect of a larger sport.

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            • CubanGuyNYC
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              #7
              Originally posted by SnakeVen0m
              Good call on Algieri. I was one of the people who quickly wrote him off, and boy was I wrong. The dude can really box and props to him for fighting like that with 1 eye. He's truly talented and he showed some composure, will, and heart on Saturday. Much props to him for not letting the first round discourage him.

              Ruslan on the other hand admittedly said he like for fighters to stand and trade. That's one dimensional man. Should make people understand now that Bradley chose to fight against him like that in the first round and almost paid the price.
              It's hard to believe a professional at this level can't accept this and thereby limits himself. Next....

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              • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                #8
                Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                Enjoyable post, Cuauh. Lots of stuff that can be commented on. I just want to focus on the above. I'm glad you brought up what I consider a consistently overlooked reality.

                I've loved boxing since I was a kid. It's certainly a great fighting skill to have, and I'd rather know how to box than not know how to box, but, ultimately, it's not real fighting. That statement is enough to spark a long-ass debate, but I'd like to focus on a smaller wrinkle. If one accepts that boxing isn't real fighting, that the rules are too restrictive for that, then one has to accept the pure boxer style. The dudes that refuse to accept this think boxing is pure fighting. Fighting is just one aspect, an obviously exciting aspect of a larger sport.
                There's a reason I brought this up. Training with more and more MMA fighters, I have come to understand the sport better and better. I understand how physical strength plays a huge part in MMA and not so much in boxing.

                Obviously power is an asset you would like to have, but you don't need to a KO puncher to be a great fighter. Not that Algerie is a great fighter, but he showed that there's more than one way to skin a cat.

                He boxed a much stronger, aggressive fighter who wants to hurt you. Algerie got on his bike and just moved beautifully, and really took it to him for most of the fight.

                You can eat raw meat, you can grow up in Siberia, you can be as intimidating as you can possibly be in a sport full of intimidating men. That won't guarantee you a win, because ultimately skill wins over toughness, even toughness is a major part of the sport and Algerie showed both.

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                • Bigg Rigg
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PBP
                  Simply put, the boxer vs. brawler matchup is the best clash of styles in boxing, IMO. I really enjoyed that fight. I also had it 114-112 Algeiri.

                  I think people give Ruslan too much credit for coming forward and landing an occasional hard shot. It's lazy scoring.
                  I'm with you all the way bro!

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                  • Suavecito80
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                    #10
                    [QUOTE=PBP;14667248]Simply put, the boxer vs. brawler matchup is the best clash of styles in boxing, IMO. I really enjoyed that fight. I also had it 114-112 Algeiri.

                    I think people give Ruslan too much credit for coming forward and landing an occasional hard shot. It's lazy scoring.[/QUOTE]

                    Lazy and the easiest way to score for somebody that knows **** about boxing. Algeiri won that fight it was close but he won it.

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