Back to "the punch vs the tap" issue

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • tangalog2200
    Undisputed Champion
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Feb 2011
    • 3323
    • 81
    • 0
    • 13,904

    #1

    Back to "the punch vs the tap" issue

    The latest split decision where provo lost got some to think of another bad scoring/judging brouhaha...

    this got me to revisit the issue of how one is to judge over mean or big punches landed and the so called "feather tap"......

    your views on this..pls
  • SlySlickSmooth
    SWIFT
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Jun 2012
    • 12735
    • 421
    • 291
    • 26,153

    #2
    Eye swelling = caused by ONE punch, bad luck for Algieri + a great punch by Provo.

    Look at it this way, should we really be scoring for punching power?

    How would the fight be if Provodnikov had power equal to Algieri?
    How would the fight be if Algieri had power equal to Provodnikov?

    It was a BOXING match.

    Comment

    • SlySlickSmooth
      SWIFT
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Jun 2012
      • 12735
      • 421
      • 291
      • 26,153

      #3
      It would of made sense if Provodnikov's power actually threw Algieri off his game, but that was not the case. Algieri performed consistently through all 12 rounds, I'm almost positive for any one sequence/exchange that Bradley stayed in longer exchanges with Provo.

      Comment

      • Sugar Adam Ali
        Undisputed Champion
        Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
        • Apr 2013
        • 27630
        • 970
        • 1,174
        • 82,827

        #4
        I think power def plays apart.. If a guy is landing hard thudding shots like ruslan was early then yeah I score it for him, but if he is only landing 1 or 2 a round and the other guy is constantly moving, jabbing and overall sharper, then i score it for him..

        Comment

        • Dirk Diggler UK
          Deleted
          Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
          • Jun 2008
          • 48836
          • 1,312
          • 693
          • 58,902

          #5
          Algieri boxed Ruslan's ears off. It's plain and simple. He landed more punches in pretty much every round and controlled the fight with his ring generalship. Ruslan landed the occasional hard hook but not enough to be winning rounds.

          Comment

          • tito_bandito
            Undisputed Champion
            Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
            • Dec 2009
            • 2063
            • 79
            • 0
            • 18,188

            #6
            I score on punches landed, who takes control of the rounds, and even defense impacts the way I score a fight. I favor any punch other than the jab that lands. Intangibles like speed and power benefit a fighter to either land first, overwhelm, or ware down their opponent. It's complete BS for one to judge on intangibles when their opponent is out landing them and making them completely miss. If we judge on intangibles like punch power then why even bother watching boxing? If we judge on intangibles then the winner would be obvious before the fight is even signed. Going into the fight we knew Provo had the power advantage big whoop. He got out worked.
            Last edited by tito_bandito; 06-16-2014, 01:52 AM.

            Comment

            • SlySlickSmooth
              SWIFT
              Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
              • Jun 2012
              • 12735
              • 421
              • 291
              • 26,153

              #7
              Its kind of ridiculous that people think this is an issue when HBO's Weisfeld even told people this fight was going to be scored subjectively, the "judge's dilemma".

              The fight could of gone either way, I guess. But any margin higher than 115-111 is ridiculous. One judge had it 117-109 for Ruslan...

              Comment

              • Sugar Adam Ali
                Undisputed Champion
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Apr 2013
                • 27630
                • 970
                • 1,174
                • 82,827

                #8
                Originally posted by SlySlickSmooth
                Its kind of ridiculous that people think this is an issue when HBO's Weisfeld even told people this fight was going to be scored subjectively, the "judge's dilemma".

                The fight could of gone either way, I guess. But any margin higher than 115-111 is ridiculous. One judge had it 117-109 for Ruslan...
                Yeah but weisfeld's card was awful, I think he only gave algieri 3 rounds.. I agree with you that it was a close fight either way

                Comment

                • SlySlickSmooth
                  SWIFT
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 12735
                  • 421
                  • 291
                  • 26,153

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                  Yeah but weisfeld's card was awful, I think he only gave algieri 3 rounds.. I agree with you that it was a close fight either way
                  Weisfeld's card WAS 117-109 though wasn't it? Same as one of the judges...

                  Comment

                  • Sugar Adam Ali
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 27630
                    • 970
                    • 1,174
                    • 82,827

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SlySlickSmooth
                    Weisfeld's card WAS 117-109 though wasn't it? Same as one of the judges...
                    That judge was horrible, worst score since someone gave canelo a draw vs Floyd. I had it 114-112 for ruslan, but have no issue with the 114-112 algieri.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP