Are slicksters ruining boxing?

[Pugilist95]

They just don't belong on live tv, let them have their fights taped and people can watch it later right before bed.

Boxing is a sport, not sports entertainment. If a fighter is able to win titles by outboxing an opponent, then they deserve all the attention they get.

[bojangles1987]

This thread doesn't even make sense because Algieri was exciting. He was throwing hooks, hard rights, uppercuts, body shots, and he was throwing them in combinations.

Why not just make the thread you actually want to make, which is that you're mad the guy you wanted to win didn't win. Just admit that's your problem, not Algieri's fighting style.

[jayjames616]

No brawlers are because they aren't good enough or skilled enough to beat them. Go watch dog fighting instead if your not entertained by the sweet science.

[Deevel916]

They should pour wet cement in the ring and make boxers fight in it, that way they can't move their feet and just stand in 1 place and throw punches

Fighters like James Tony and Sweat Pea were able to stand right in front of you without moving thier feet and bob and weave to avoid thier opponents shots while making them pay in return. I have nothing against "boxers" but when a boxer looks like he's playing a game of "tag you're it" rather than actually imposing his will and trying to throw meaningful shots, then it takes away from the fight as a whole. If boxing was full of nothing but jab flickers then boxing wouldnt even be a televised sport.

[Razor Ramon]

I don't mind guys who don't want to stand and trade if they're still doing something. Saturdays fight wasn't Gatti/ward but it was a decent watch, Algieri threw plenty of punches without standing and trading which would have been suicidal against Provodnikov, so I didn't mind. He thrw something like 1000 punches didn't he? It's these guys who throw 200-300 over 12 rounds and bore everyone senseless who are bad for business.

[Juof]

They aren't bad for the sport. Just don't expect to be making major money with that style the only way you will is if you have good mic skills. Rigondeaux has got to be the slickest dude in there but he isn't putting people in seats. To be a big draw you need to have power, skills, back story, mic skills, rivals, uniqueness. Not just try and be slick and shoulder roll and potshot because floyd is successful. Floyd has done alot for the sport but he's also changed the way people go about business. Alot of guys duck now, alot of guys want to protect their 0 because they think it will make them more money. But what they don't see is floyd has fought alot of top guys and still beat them. These guys are fighting nobodies and think they're top fighters only to fall short when they step up and get called hype jobs.

[#1Assassin]

Okay let me put this out there first, I love slick boxers, I think their are several boxers from the seventies who did it well without taking away from the game.
Any boxer has to make a choice stylistically between speed and power and lately the slick technical boxers in the scene have chosen to rely on speed exclusively to win matches. Running behind the jab and relying on decisions. They don't even seem preoccupied with hurting their opponents at all.
In the bygone, more exciting ages of boxing people cared more about knocking out their opponents about really beating them and not just winning a "game". It used to be the technical guys still scored a hell of a lot more knockouts even if they weren't power punchers.
I guess this is kind of a rant and I'm sorry but I feel like this is killing the soul of boxing. I enjoy a good technical schooling as much as the next guy hell I appreciate it but if you never commit because your scared of getting caught then your just scared.

wow.. smart move making an alt, but thats the only smart thing about that ****..

there arent more slick boxers now than before, there have always been plenty of pure boxers in the game. well not quite always, but going almost 100 years back.

only difference is the fans. back then the fans could appreciate it, now there are almost no hardcore boxing fans left. just these random violence fans with no appreciation for real quality boxing who call themselves hardcore fans.

this IS the soul of boxing and it always has been, not pure boxers but the variety of styles. peoples attempt to crucify fighters for their style, THAT is whats killing boxings soul.

again, only thing thats changed is the "fans". nobody who fights for a living is scared to get hit, they just understand what it is they do for a living. you arent supposed to get hit, plain and simple. if you can win without getting hit thats what you should do, take what you need to take but nothing more.

just like in any other sport, you cant keep your opponent scoreless in most sports but that doesnt mean you should just hand out free points. its not a ****ing charity, if you want to score you better have the skill and know how or you simply cant compete.

so if you arent a fan of quality boxing, stop watching top level fights. they have these cards were random people from the audience fight each other or maybe you could go to ireland on vacation and watch some bare knuckle gypsy fights. but you cant have world class boxing without boxing. just deal with it it, boxing is what it is and it doesnt need changing. you are the one buying a loaf of bread and complaining its not milk, so just stop buying the bread if you dont want it.

edit: for the record there was absolutely nothing wrong with algieris performance. im looking forward to watching him again more than i ever did watching provodnikov.

[Acapulco Gold]

No brawlers are because they aren't good enough or skilled enough to beat them. Go watch dog fighting instead if your not entertained by the sweet science.

Without brawlers this sport would be dead and buried.

[Watchfire]

I was suprised that this post took off as much as it did, not that its that popular but usually in this forum unless your talking about boxer A is such and such, then the post doesn't get this much response. Thank you all for your input but scale down the hate a little why don't ya?
I didn't mean that I hate technical or slick boxers (and btw I think slicksters is a ****** term too I just felt it would make the title shorter) I meant that I hate guys who run around and sacrifice speed for power to throw basically speed shots with no power. One user put it perfectly.

"imagine ray leonard throwing pitty pat punches all night while on the move, and he has real speed remember that, he'd be harder to catch than normal, likely would never tire, but it would be a shameful display, and extremely boring unless the opponent sparked him, this pitty pat stuff that many fighters are coming out with in todays boxing is embarrassing and it's purely defensive, literally all they have done is found a way to be completely on the defensive whilst scoring points "

Im sorry I don't know how to quote on this site, I'm new.

Ray Leonard, Ali, even the great Willie Pep (who had a LOW KO percentage) they were all extremely slick/ won on points a lot and you know what makes their fights more exciting to watch was the fact that they still tried to take it to their opponent, they threw leveraged shots at least every now and then.
I don't want to see everyone brawl, I don't want to see two fighters stuck in cement. I want to see people get that old mentality back. The truth is the only warrior who exist now are mostly brawlers all the guys who have the skill set to not commit to shots and use speed to win while barely giving their opponent a headache do so. I think judge's should at least take damage into consideration because I think they seem to not even notice it, this isn't amateur (btw to who ever said to bring in headgear to make boxing more technical studies have shown that at an elite level head gear actually contributes to more knockouts than it stops 2016 olympics is set to have no headgear).
I did not post this thread in response to the Algieri vs. Provo decision like a lot of people seem to believe.
Sorry for the rant. Thanks for the responses guys.

[Watchfire]

Also here's a quick list of guys who could have employed this style but didn't in favor of actually FIGHTING even if they did win on decision quite often and used it as a strategy. (said some of these before)
Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Mike MCcallum, Thomas Hearns , Willie Pep, Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, and Benny Leonard.

These are also most of my favorite fighters. I've never been a huge fan of brawlers although I do have a soft spot for a few.

Granted a lot of these guys have real POWER but if they had focused on the aspects of the game that modern boxers do they wouldn't have nearly the knockout percentages that they do and would probably have less losses. Just putting this out there for the running accusation in this thread that I somehow don't appreciate technical boxing or that these people whom I discussing are somehow the height of technical perfection.
(Also whats up with all this alt talk, and why do people seem smugly insulting when they bring it up? )