Top fighters finding power late in careers

[BoxingIsGreat]

Pacquiao is the BEST example.

[New England]

Pacquiao is the BEST example.

pacquiao is was one of the best punchers you will ever see at 122. you can count the bonafide one punch knockout punchers at 122 in history on one or two hands.


while he's suspect because of his involvement with ariza, he's not the best example. he was always a puncher. he just happened to see a strange lull in his power at 135, and suddenly become a small welterweight who could hurt some of the most durable WW we have ever seen.

[4Corners]

The way Pac flew up divisions without losing speed or anything, and battering durable big guys at 147....it was suspect.

But JMM is the most blatant example I've ever seen. The guy looks slow and dead at 147 initially.....then turns into a beast with back.acne all over that can punch people outta the ring now. Lol

[RichCCFC]

Junior Witter

[New England]

The way Pac flew up divisions without losing speed or anything, and battering durable big guys at 147....it was suspect.

But JMM is the most blatant example I've ever seen. The guy looks slow and dead at 147 initially.....then turns into a beast with back.acne all over that can punch people outta the ring now. Lol

you also have to consider who he started using for "strength and conditioning" as well.


angel heredia is a self professed steroid guru. he's pictured here in a german documentary buying gear [in mexico, of all places,] and injecting himself.

[New England]

heredia testified in front of a grand jury in the trial of trevor graham, a sprinting coahc witha prolific involvement with PED's.


heredia's testimony was part of a deal to keep him from facing jail time for his own involvement with steroids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Graham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Guillermo_Heredia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BALCO_scandal

[Picazo]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

This^

Its the truth.

[hectari]

Pacquiao is the BEST example.

Fear makes you believe things that are not really true, like Pacman being a monster puncher at 147.

His KO percentage actually went down, he only had one legit KO that was Hatton.

So where is this Pacman is a monster puncher all of a sudden coming form? its coming from Fear, from Floyd and his father they are scared and when you get scared you become a hypochondriac like worrying about your health and imagining a little beast in there. That is what fear does it makes you exaggerate claims like Pacman knocking out all these big men. He couldn't even KO a drained De La Hoya and he hit Oscar so many times.

[SlySlickSmooth]

To be honest I thought Marquez was clean until the Alvarado fight... he hasn't tested positive but the acne was something else

[MRBOOMER]

JMM may or may not be on PEDs. However, his punching power has nothing to do with this. I have to assume that most people here have never boxed because people who box should know that taking PEDs won't improve your power. If Paulie starts taking PEDs he won't start knocking people out. Punching power is 90% technique. Speed is important too but it's mostly technique because the speed difference between fighters for a single shot is less than you would expect. This is why some apparently slow fighters hit like trucks. Fighters that get their weight behind punches, on the other hand, hit hard. It's as simple as that. While most fighters can do this on the bag, doing it in the ring is another matter altogether as it requires timing, confidence in committing to punches, a willingness to take shots etc. It's simple physics: KE=mv^2/2. This energy is what creates the force to spin the head so that the brain moves inside the cranium, which is what produces a knockout. To increase it, you need to increase m by getting heavier (not an option if you have to compete within weight categories) or by improving technique or you need to increase speed (v). Taking steroids won't make a significant difference to punching speed and definitely won't improve technique.

Ped's don't improve power or speed so why take em if there not enhancing anything? if it's all technique then they should be taking technique enhancing drugs.