So is there anyone out there who acually believes Anthony Joshua is a clean athlete?

[Tom Cruise]

He could well be dirty. Who knows. I would point out though that plenty of modern athletes have the 'Joshua' physique. Especially in sports where upper body strength is needed

Rugby players:



NFL

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[RichCCFC]

He could well be dirty. Who knows. I would point out though that plenty of modern athletes have the 'Joshua' physique. Especially in sports where upper body strength is needed

Rugby players:



NFL

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lmao! Rugby players and NFL players are all on juice too!

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

Ridiculous gut on the lad.

[Tom Cruise]

lmao! Rugby players and NFL players are all on juice too!

Maybe, probably.

Most of the top boxers in the world are probably juicing in some way. Having big muscles isnt a valid test of whether someone is taking PED's though.

being 6'6 240+lbs and ripped isnt that crazy in modern sports. Its crazy in boxing because there arent enough dedicated Heavyweights around

[Furn]

Wait?.....


You guys don't look like that ?

[SugarRayCurtain]

ofcourse hes on drugs and so is Klitshcko, Haye, Povetkin etc
but even the stiffest drug tests wont catch these guys, there are new drugs being made everyday

[tokon]

Look at this guy, seriously.









So what is it then, genetics? If so, where were these genes in the 70's and 80's because I didn't see any fighters lookinh like this back then. Is it "advances in modern training"? Which are what exactly, a needle in the arm after every session? Have weight training and plyometrics only been around for the last ten years or something? I don't see anything in your average boxing gym today which wouldn't have been around in the 70's.

As for "innocent until proven guilty", that would be fine if testing standards in boxing were up to scratch. But they're not, they're not even close. British boxer Larry Olubamiwo took 13 banned substances including HGH and anabolic steroids over a six year period before finally getting caught for EPO and admitting to the rest. Standard commissions in the US are no better, look up Joe Rogan's interview with Victor Conte for more information on that. HGH isn't even tested for.

I wish people in boxing wouldn't turn a blind eye to this. I think it's our duty as fans to make as much noise as possible when somebody looks dirty and the onus should be on them to prove they're clean by undertaking the most stringent testing possible. Forget about personal bias and picking favourites, just speak up regardless for the sake of the sport's integrity. Boxing is dangerous enough without all of this.

You've got Marquez blatantly doping after getting together with Memo, Shawn Porter giving Malignaggi a hematoma inside four rounds and suddenly looking a beast after hooking up with Victor Conte and Rios getting busted by VADA after only one fight with Ariza. Who knows how many other fighters are flying under the radar. Trainers and promoters are gonna protect their fighter no matter what, but I for one am sick of seeing this shameless cheating.

There's a lot of good points in your original post "dannn", and you're right that drug testing procedures in boxing (and other combat sports) are poor. Especially considering that these are the sports where drug testing should be super-stringent as these are the sports where the athletes are inflicting damage, often serious sometimes fatal, on each other. Track and field etc you get beat off a drug cheat it doesnt actually damage you physically. There is, I believe, also a lot of "complicity in the drug use with other fighters, trainers, managers, promoters all aware it's going on.

However i sort of doubt joshua is juicing. Genetics, training methods, diet, etc all contribute to a "look". But a lot of others, including some BIG names past and present, are!

[Tom Cruise]

Wait?.....


You guys don't look like that ?

Only my wanking arm

[Rath]

if he does not have videos being randomly drug tested by USADA like Floyd then he is not clean.

[New England]

of course not.


but, most top fighters are on peds.

you think the 250 lb russian who gets ripped to the bone in his late 30's is clean?


vitali was busted for PEDS, if you recall.
do you really think vitali was on the gear as amateurs, but abstained in the pros, when you fight for millions of dollars?