Groves strategy was on point....

[Skip Bayless]

He was never going to win boxing on the back foot.

His defense is not nearly tight enough to do that, and he's not physically strong enough to tie Froch up - two things that are essential when fighting Froch on the back foot.

He should have taken it to Carl from the beginning, make him remember the last fight and get him cautious.

That didn't happen so he got knocked out.

and what was the outcome of the first fight? yeh he got stopped. he threw everything at froch and he couldnt take him out so it would be foolish to try and do the same thing again. he boxed a good fight but maybe got too ****y with throwing the left hook and trying to counter froch most powerful punch. he should have instead not thrown a left hook, just stick to jab, straight right, movement and defence.

groves just isnt good enough to beat froch, they could fight 100 times and maybe he will survive to win once.

[LacedUp]

Don't get why nobody has mentioned the bodywork of Froch... that was a huge part of the fight and the ending... the reason Groves got caught with the right was because of the zapped reflexes due to Frochs barrage of Body

Yeah Froch certainly hurt him to the body. He also did that in the first fight.

It's always a good strategy to hurt big people to the body, as they are taking weight off - like Groves is. He's a naturally larger guy. And is vulnerable to the body.

Still don't think Groves showed any stamina issues or bad fitness levels.

[LacedUp]

and what was the outcome of the first fight? yeh he got stopped. he threw everything at froch and he couldnt take him out so it would be foolish to try and do the same thing again. he boxed a good fight but maybe got too ****y with throwing the left hook and trying to counter froch most powerful punch. he should have instead not thrown a left hook, just stick to jab, straight right, movement and defence.

groves just isnt good enough to beat froch, they could fight 100 times and maybe he will survive to win once.

I don't recall saying he should do the same as he did in the first fight? Where did I say that?

There's a difference between going gung-ho and take centre of the ring and dominate behind a strong jab and a quick right hand. He can do that, but he was adamant to steal rounds and box - but ultimately he wasn't concentrated enough.

[Skip Bayless]

I don't recall saying he should do the same as he did in the first fight? Where did I say that?

There's a difference between going gung-ho and take centre of the ring and dominate behind a strong jab and a quick right hand. He can do that, but he was adamant to steal rounds and box - but ultimately he wasn't concentrated enough.

but he wont be able to do that the whole fight because he doesnt have the stamina and froch is dangerous in exchanges so groves will get caught. i think the gameplan was pretty good but groves just isnt good enough thats the main problem. no matter what gameplan he chooses he would lose to froch

[The Gambler1981]

I think his plan was pretty bad and he didn't execute it very well at that. He wasted a ton of energy with little quick twitches moving a ton with every Froch feint. That energy would have been put to better use focusing on putting damage on Froch, instead of the fruitless effort of trying to make Froch miss when he was already making him miss a decent amount and that added effort was not really making Froch miss more and put his body at risk which Froch took advantage later in the fight and made Groves fade even faster.

Guys who fight like jack rabbits constantly twitching don't hold up, especially when someone attacks their body (even just a bit). People notice when a guy throws a ton of punches wasting energy that way, but I think that tightness and twitching is the absolute worst way to preserve stamina.

[lewishamboy]

I think his plan was pretty bad and he didn't execute it very well at that. He wasted a ton of energy with little quick twitches moving a ton with every Froch feint. That energy would have been put to better use focusing on putting damage on Froch, instead of the fruitless effort of trying to make Froch miss when he was already making him miss a decent amount and that added effort was not really making Froch miss more and put his body at risk which Froch took advantage later in the fight and made Groves fade even faster.

Guys who fight like jack rabbits constantly twitching don't hold up, especially when someone attacks their body (even just a bit). People notice when a guy throws a ton of punches wasting energy that way, but I think that tightness and twitching is the absolute worst way to preserve stamina.

I've thought the same about Groves fast twitchy style and whether it could be one of the reasons he tires in the later rounds.