Is Froch a current top 10, P4P?

[Weltschmerz]

Rigondeaux might be boring to some but he is an amazing technician. Froch is nowhere near to Rigo's skills.

It's not Rigo's fault if his competitions is weaker.

Just imagine Rigondeaux being 6ft tall and weighin 165 pounds with less speed and more power. If he had to fight Froch, you wouldn't bet on Froch would you?

Rigondeaux is in top 10. You cannot rate a fighter only by his pro resume. Just look how he handled Donaire ffs.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Is fighting spirit/heart not one of the key elements of boxing?

If you were drawing up baseball style cards for boxings finest you're saying you wouldn't have a HEART/WILL attribute??

That's a bit ignorant imo...its a key factor to being a world-beater.

How you can rank Kovalev above Froch p4p when he's only beaten Cleverly and Silakh ...well...it speaks for itself

Kovalev is a tactician that masters his boxing. When I make a p4p list ( eventhough I don't give too much importance to these rankings) I take in account the resume and the skills.

A p4p list is ALWAYS subjective. For instance, I would never put Marquez in my p4p list, but I don't mind if some people do.

[DannYankee]

Now he is #10 literally.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Rigondeaux is in top 10. You cannot rate a fighter only by his pro resume. Just look how he handled Donaire ffs.

I do totally agree with you and that is the reason why Vitali is an atg to me

[Weltschmerz]

You rate p4p very subjectively. Froch is not the most skilled fighter in the world, but he beat the best in his division apart from Ward. Froch is definitely top 10 p4p in 2014.

[LacedUp]

Rigondeaux is in top 10. You cannot rate a fighter only by his pro resume. Just look how he handled Donaire ffs.

Of course you can.

Otherwise, why is Lomachenckho not top?

The P4P rating is a Pro boxing ranking. Amateur doesn't come into it.

[Boxing Goat]

He's definitely a top tier fighter but I believe that only elite fighters should be in the top ten and he's never been that caliber of fighter as far as I'm concerned.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

You rate p4p very subjectively. Froch is not the most skilled fighter in the world, but he beat the best in his division apart from Ward. Froch is definitely top 10 p4p in 2014.

I will never say the contrary. P4P lists are meant to be subjective and should be so as long as you don't troll ( by putting Audley Harrison in the list for instance).

But I promise that if Froch beats a fighter like Martinez/Golovkin/Ward/Chavez he would definitely be.

Martinez going to 168 at his age would be very dangerous though.

[LacedUp]

He's definitely a top tier fighter but I believe that only elite fighters should be in the top ten and he's never been that caliber of fighter as far as I'm concerned.

How is he not an elite fighter?

In the last 12 world title fights he's 10-2 against 11 top 10 guys. Name me 10 other fighters that can say the same.

No, actually, name me 5.

[LacedUp]

I will never say the contrary. P4P lists are meant to be subjective and should be so as long as you don't troll ( by putting Audley Harrison in the list for instance).

But I promise that if Froch beats a fighter like Martinez/Golovkin/Ward/Chavez he would definitely be.

Martinez going to 168 at his age would be very dangerous though.

Yeah or Alex Leapai.