It's still Mayweather and Pacquiao who are the top two, not Ward

[Doctor_Tenma]

It's what he has collectively that makes him rare, deceptively fast feet, good hand speed and physically he's been able to manhandle bigger men. Also, I wouldn't classify Ward as a decent puncher, I find that he's hitting a lot harder now, his jab alone is snapping heads.

[Larry the boss]

Ward is very inactive-should he be dropped sure

Manny is not fighting top ww champions period should he be p4p#2?? no!! does he have a case??? sure

p4p#2 is basically vacant to be honest

[bojangles1987]

You're almost making me hope Groves wins just so he can get his ass kicked by Ward or duck the fight knowing he'd get his ass kicked by Ward.

[bojangles1987]

Wards resume since 2010>>>>>Mannys resume...and it aint even close

Bradley twice and Marquez(disputed)>Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham

That's basically their relevant fights since 2010. Pac has the edge.

EDIT: Add in Clottey as well. Pac obviously has the better career since 2010. Even washed up Mosley is a better win than never was Allen Green.

[Weebler I]

You're almost making me hope Groves wins just so he can get his ass kicked by Ward or duck the fight knowing he'd get his ass kicked by Ward.

Sauerland probably wouldn't make the fight. They'd have Groves fight Abraham, Kessler or DeGale. Ward would need to travel, accept Euro ref etc. I think he'd rather retire.

[Larry the boss]

Bradley twice and Marquez(disputed)>Carl Froch and Arthur Abraham

That's basically their relevant fights since 2010. Pac has the edge.

EDIT: Add in Clottey as well. Pac obviously has the better career since 2010. Even washed up Mosley is a better win than never was Allen Green.

Please tell me who Bradley or Juan beat at 147??? Froch and Abraham both beat better fighters at 175.

[bojangles1987]

Please tell me who Bradley or Juan beat at 147??? Froch and Abraham both beat better fighters at 175.

You can play dumb if you want but Bradley and Marquez are better fighters than anyone Ward's fought.

[Resilient]

You can play dumb if you want but Bradley and Marquez are better fighters than anyone Ward's fought.

exactly!!!

[Resilient]

Who the hell has Manny beaten to make his p4p#2??

1-Bradley?? why?? ya'll claim Manny was robbed the 1st fight right?? so why would him winning the rematch make him #2??

2-Rios??? lmfao

3-Jmm the guy ya'll said was not even a legit ww put Manny to sleep!!!


3-Ward while inactive has cleaned out 168 fighting the other top champions at 168

MANNY DOES NOT FIGHT TOP CHAMPIONS AT 147 PERIOD!!!

Paper champions don't mean a damn thang.

Floyd went life and death with Maidana, and fought the ATG's Guerrero and Ortiz since 2011.

They're soooo much better than Bradley and Rios.

[DARKSEID]

Who the hell has Manny beaten to make his p4p#2??

1-Bradley?? why?? ya'll claim Manny was robbed the 1st fight right?? so why would him winning the rematch make him #2??

2-Rios??? lmfao

3-Jmm the guy ya'll said was not even a legit ww put Manny to sleep!!!


3-Ward while inactive has cleaned out 168 fighting the other top champions at 168

MANNY DOES NOT FIGHT TOP CHAMPIONS AT 147 PERIOD!!!

You are so dumb Larry.

Bradley was the top welterweight champion
Cotto was the top welterweight champion

There's nobody that Pacquiao has avoided. He's fought everybody with a name or a threat that was available except Floyd.

Which Top welterweight champions did he duck? Name one.