Comments Thread For: Roach Has No Doubt Cotto Can Push Martinez Around

[GRUSTLER]

I respectfully disagree. Martinez is without a doubt the more athletic fighter but more skilled? An argument can be made that Cotto is the more skilled fighter. As we seen from boxing more skillz does not always equate to a win, as most famously seen in Ali-Frasier 1.

Man..... Pacquiao's speed and power dominated Cotto and Floyd even buckled Cotto in their fight. Martinez is going to drop a sledge hammer on Cotto. Miguel gets hit flush with big shots in every fight and Martinez has one punch KO power. Cotto is going to get hit in that fight and he is going to get on his bike and try to survive. He's not beating Sergio Martinez.

[LAPete]

I'm not a Martinez fan at all but I think Cotto is way too slow for him. Martinez will out maneuver him and win in a 12 round UD.

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Man, Cotto is going to take a beating in this fight.

[nacho daddy]

Bottom line is this isn't the same Martinez...he's been dropped and hurt...he doesn't get away from punches as well...and he just looks old now body wise...a prime Martinez would win no doubt in my mind...but this Martinez is very beatable...I think Cotto needs to press the action and go to the body...Cotto should be able to take punches better with the extra weight as well...I think it's a 50/50 because Martinez is bit past his prime at this prime physically...Cotto is still physically fine although he's taken a few beatings himself...

so cotto is in his prime??

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Man..... Pacquiao's speed and power dominated Cotto and Floyd even buckled Cotto in their fight. Martinez is going to drop a sledge hammer on Cotto. Miguel gets hit flush with big shots in every fight and Martinez has one punch KO power. Cotto is going to get hit in that fight and he is going to get on his bike and try to survive. He's not beating Sergio Martinez.

Other then p will. Who else did Martinez ko with one shot? As a matter of fact what's Martinez 's record? I see people all over these boards talking like Martinez is some kind of mini Tyson. Martinez ko's people with accumulated damage and wearing down. He will not even be the hardest puncher Cotto has faced nor will he be the fastest, nor will he be the most defensive nor will he be the smartest. Both fighters have a pretty equal chance of winning this fight.

[JmH Reborn]

This is a fight between a fighter who's beaten numerous top middleweights and a guy who's only notable victory above 147 is Yuri Foreman. It's a guy who's knocked out middleweights against a guy who's been hurt by 140 and 147 lb fighters. Martinez will, without question, be the hardest puncher Cotto has faced. This sound like an even fight?

I'm pretty sure p4p Mosely, Torres and especially Bailey pack more power than Sergio.

The only man to put Cotto on his ass was Pac. Prime Pac. Yeah he got a kd vs. Torres, but I still think that was a push, but who cares

Sergio isn't the strongest he's ever fought

Sergio isn't the fastest

Sergio isn't the most fundamentally sound

Sergio also isn't overall the best opponent he's fought

More often than not, Cotto has come out on top. With that being said, I still favor Sergio to win, but I still think it's pretty even. If Cotto can get on the inside, that's where he negates Sergio advantages. If sergio can keep him on the outside, it'll look like the Trout fight.

They are both 6 round fighters who can dig deep in the championship rounds and pull out a victory. So for me, it'll be an even fight after six. Rounds 7-10, whoever wins those will earn the victory.

In the end, the biggest equalizer other than Sergio injuries is that Cotto has been in the ring with the best fighters of the last decade, Sergio hasn't. Cotto can tap into that experience. So yes, this is an equal fight. Whoever wants it more will win

[Da Boxer]

I'm pretty sure p4p Mosely, Torres and especially Bailey pack more power than Sergio.

The only man to put Cotto on his ass was Pac. Prime Pac. Yeah he got a kd vs. Torres, but I still think that was a push, but who cares

Sergio isn't the strongest he's ever fought

Sergio isn't the fastest

Sergio isn't the most fundamentally sound

Sergio also isn't overall the best opponent he's fought

More often than not, Cotto has come out on top. With that being said, I still favor Sergio to win, but I still think it's pretty even. If Cotto can get on the inside, that's where he negates Sergio advantages. If sergio can keep him on the outside, it'll look like the Trout fight.

They are both 6 round fighters who can dig deep in the championship rounds and pull out a victory. So for me, it'll be an even fight after six. Rounds 7-10, whoever wins those will earn the victory.

In the end, the biggest equalizer other than Sergio injuries is that Cotto has been in the ring with the best fighters of the last decade, Sergio hasn't. Cotto can tap into that experience. So yes, this is an equal fight. Whoever wants it more will win

Agreed. Great points.

[Da Boxer]

Those guys you named don't have middleweight knockout power like Martinez does. Martinez hits a lot harder than any version of Pacquiao. Who has Cotto faced who's stronger than Martinez? If Cotto gets inside on Martinez, Martinez could just physically overpower him the way that Trout did. And Martinez is not a 6 round fighter. The guy averaged 75 punches a round against Chavez, while constantly moving. Martinez is capable of sustaining a really intense pace throughout all 12 rounds. As I said, Cotto has failed against every top opponent above 147 he's fought. If Cotto couldn't beat Trout, how will he beat a fighter who's better than Trout in every way? And who presents many of the same style problems Trout did?

People keep talking about the Trout fight. Well, the Cotto that fought Trout (not taking anything away from Trout) was a 60-70% Cotto.

There were several distractions that did not allow for a complete training camp, and showed during the fight.

You could see a Cotto that was bloated, slow, lethargic, foot work was horrendus and really unable to put combos together with zero body attack and throwing ARM punches.

As matter of fact, Miguel was trowing arm punches since after his fight with Foreman. Only since him joining Freddy he has started following through his punches and impacting with much more force.

Lastly, Cotto returning early from his high altitude training hurt his metabolic capacity, and severely impaired his ability to recover.

I assure you that the Cotto we will see on Jun 7th will totally destroy Trout and will beat Sergio.

[JmH Reborn]

Those guys you named don't have middleweight knockout power like Martinez does. Martinez hits a lot harder than any version of Pacquiao. Who has Cotto faced who's stronger than Martinez? If Cotto gets inside on Martinez, Martinez could just physically overpower him the way that Trout did. And Martinez is not a 6 round fighter. The guy averaged 75 punches a round against Chavez, while constantly moving. Martinez is capable of sustaining a really intense pace throughout all 12 rounds. As I said, Cotto has failed against every top opponent above 147 he's fought. If Cotto couldn't beat Trout, how will he beat a fighter who's better than Trout in every way? And who presents many of the same style problems Trout did?

Sergio was able to do that because Chavez did not throw punches

Cotto lost to May and PAC, two of the best fighters in history. I don't know why he would get discredited. And he acquitted himself quite well against May. He also went to war prime 4 prime against Margarito. And there is a dark cloud aims that fight. Can't win them all. It was an amazing fight. Why should he get discredited for that?

Sergio never fight a top fighter. He lost to PWill, a 147 fighter that messed with his weight constantly. He looked average against a certified loon with Cintron. Of course, we don't have to talk about the destruction by Margarito, the fight you are discrediting Cotto for. Martinez lookse great against plodders, and that's all he's fought lately, except for Dzinziruk, who's never been tested before

I also think Margarito, Mosely hell even Mayorga have the overall strength advantages on a p4p. I'm not saying Sergio isn't a powerful guy, but it's not this hulking presence that Cotto hasn't dealt with.

In regards to Trout. Trout was a guy in his prime use used solid fundamentals and spoiler tactics to negate what Cotto did. Cotto is not in his prime and Trout is. And even through that, you could argue that Cotto could have gotten a draw. I had it 7-5 for Trout. Plus I think Cotto thought it was just tune up fare and he got a rude awakening. He's prepared for Sergio. And lastly, Sergio isn't in his prime and I don't he can move for 12 rounds like he did in the Chavez fight two years ago.