Comments Thread For: DeGale: If Froch Doesn't Change, Groves Beats Him

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Froch underestimated Groves in the first fight. I think he will adjust as the other guy here says and show Groves who's the BOSS.

It's easy to say that. Whether he underestimated him or not doesn't change the physical and stylistic advantages that Groves has. Is Froch gonna be more careful? Doesn't matter because Groves is still faster and Froch still has a poor defence

[Resilient]

I personally don't buy that he lacked respect for Groves. He utilised the jab well against Kessler because he had much longer arms and Kessler is a straight up and down fighter. Very little lateral movement and not all that fast.

Groves is just too fast for Froch early. If he tries to stand off him and jab him, he'll get beaten to the punch because he's slower and Groves arguably has a better jab anyway. If he tries to bum rush Groves, he'll get countered. It's a lose-lose.

Groves is just a horrible style match for Froch and the only way I can see Carl winning is if he does what he did in the first fight which is take a ****load of clean shots before coming on late. I just don't think he can afford to do that again and Groves finishes it this time.

You think Groves will get the knock out?

[Weltschmerz]

I personally don't buy that he lacked respect for Groves. He utilised the jab well against Kessler because he had much longer arms and Kessler is a straight up and down fighter. Very little lateral movement and not all that fast.

Groves is just too fast for Froch early. If he tries to stand off him and jab him, he'll get beaten to the punch because he's slower and Groves arguably has a better jab anyway. If he tries to bum rush Groves, he'll get countered. It's a lose-lose.

Groves is just a horrible style match for Froch and the only way I can see Carl winning is if he does what he did in the first fight which is take a ****load of clean shots before coming on late. I just don't think he can afford to do that again and Groves finishes it this time.

That's what he should have done in the first fight. It's really not a clear cut case that he can do it this time. Froch has the experience advantage and will adjust accordingly.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You think Groves will get the knock out?

Yeah. I can see him flooring Froch again and this time finishing it. Ref probably stops it with Froch taking too many clean shots.

That's what he should have done in the first fight. It's really not a clear cut case that he can do it this time. Froch has the experience advantage and will adjust accordingly.

Froch can't adjust. He knew what Groves was going to do the first time and he didn't adjust. He has no defence to what Groves is coming with early on. His best chance is to catch Groves with something or wait till he slows down in the late rounds.

[Resilient]

That's what he should have done in the first fight. It's really not a clear cut case that he can do it this time. Froch has the experience advantage and will adjust accordingly.

He can't adjust, he's not a well schooled boxer. He has an inferior defense to Groves and isn't very accurate.

He's too old, plus his style was bound to age dreadfully, now he's up against a spring chicken who is lightyears faster and has much quicker reflexes, there is nothing Froch can do, he'll be beaten to the jab yet again, if Froch tries to launch a flurry against Groves he'll get caught by hard accurate fast combos like last time.

Groves can be a bit of a prick, but he is a very very good fighter, I hope he shows Froch respect after he beats him.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I hope I'm wrong, always supported Froch and can't stand Groves but even before the first fight, I knew this was a bad style match up for Froch. Tbf I also picked Bute over Carl for kinda similar reasons but Groves is much stronger physically and mentally than Bute who completely crumbled under the first sign of pressure.

[Weltschmerz]

It's easy to say that. Whether he underestimated him or not doesn't change the physical and stylistic advantages that Groves has. Is Froch gonna be more careful? Doesn't matter because Groves is still faster and Froch still has a poor defence

We saw in the fight with Jermain Taylor for instance Froch being down early and coming back finishing strong. In fact really think about the substance of Froch's resume, Groves is hardly the best opponent he's beaten. Who's Groves best win, Glen Johnson?

Not taking anything away from ginger kid, but put things into perspective here.

[Weltschmerz]

He can't adjust, he's not a well schooled boxer. He has an inferior defense to Groves and isn't very accurate.

He's too old, plus his style was bound to age dreadfully, now he's up against a spring chicken who is lightyears faster and has much quicker reflexes, there is nothing Froch can do, he'll be beaten to the jab yet again, if Froch tries to launch a flurry against Groves he'll get caught by hard accurate fast combos like last time.

Groves can be a bit of a prick, but he is a very very good fighter, I hope he shows Froch respect after he beats him.

Exaggerate much.

IMO Groves needs to up his game even more to win. I agree Groves is very skilled, but can he get even better as DeGale says?

[Resilient]

We saw in the fight with Jermain Taylor for instance Froch being down early and coming back finishing strong. In fact really think about the substance of Froch's resume, Groves is hardly the best opponent he's beaten. Who's Groves best win, Glen Johnson?

Not taking anything away from ginger kid, but put things into perspective here.

That was five years ago against a prime Froch, plus he was losing the fight comprehensively, not to take anything away from Froch.

Froch was hurt a lot worse in the groves fight too.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You can't keep shipping punishment for the majority of the fight and coming on strong late. It's admirable but it catches up to you sooner or later.