Pacquiao vs. Hopkins (if they were in the same weightclass)

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

hopkins does quite well with southpaws minus the calzaghe fight.

but we all know pacquiao doesnt win fantasy fights on this site.

[BillyBoxing]

He fought some tough, solid contenders at 160 who didn't have a name. The Maidana's and prime Malignaggi's of that division -- guys who weren't stars but weren't an easy night either. And he dismantled them all easily. And ruined a few of them (Echols).

The maidana's I'm not sure, this division wasn't at his best.

I rate Maidana as a fighter higher than 80% of the guys he faced in his middleweight reign.

I think he faced better competition in his 40s, I mean in his light heavyweight campain.

[IMDAZED]

The maidana's I'm not sure, this division wasn't at his best.

I rate Maidana as a fighter higher than 80% of the guys he faced in his middleweight reign.

I think he faced better competition in his 40s, I mean in his light heavyweight campain.

He did face better competition in his 40's (although Roy Jones, Glen Johnson & co. are nothing to scoff at). Couple of those guys were better than a Maidana-type, a couple weren't. Most likely, few if any posters even watched those fights.

[BillyBoxing]

He faced someone faster, as powerful and smarter in Jones.

Bradley is to Hopkins what Steve Forbes is to Mayweather.

Pacquiao is a different animal than Roy, Pacquiao as his own qualities, I think he's more durable and tougher than Roy, might be stronger too P4P.

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao is a different animal than Roy, Pacquiao as his own qualities, I think he's more durable and tougher than Roy, might be stronger too P4P.

Don't think he was more durable or tougher or stronger. Jones was big at his weight, usually the stronger opponent and had other-worldy stamina. Was barely hurt until he was past his prime, while Pacquiao suffered KO losses and knockdowns throughout his career. Also wasn't as smart, as good defensively, and was matched in speed and power (if not outgunned).

[BillyBoxing]

He faced someone faster, as powerful and smarter in Jones.

Bradley is to Hopkins what Steve Forbes is to Mayweather.

I disagree.

Bradley will end as a hall of famer if his legs allows him to fight 3 more years (he will be 33 then).

Dude unified the 140 division and is a WW champion two.
He has solid wins, handed to Devon his first loss, beat Marquez when the guy was ranked in the top 10 P4P, did well against Pac, and beat a lot of solid contenders like Provo, Campbell, Holt, Witter...

[IMDAZED]

I disagree.

Bradley will end as a hall of famer if his legs allows him to fight 3 more years (he will be 33 then).

Dude unified the 140 division and is a WW champion two.
He has solid wins, handed to Devon his first loss, beat Marquez when the guy was ranked in the top 10 P4P, did well against Pac, and beat a lot of solid contenders like Provo, Campbell, Holt, Witter...

Big difference between a possible HOF'er and ATG. Plus, you're projecting. Right now, he's nowhere near a HOF'er, just a two division champ. Hopkins is an ATG.

[djtmal]

i think hopkins could beat him old school philly style

[BillyBoxing]

Don't think he was more durable or tougher or stronger. Jones was big at his weight, usually the stronger opponent and had other-worldy stamina. Was barely hurt until he was past his prime, while Pacquiao suffered KO losses and knockdowns throughout his career. Also wasn't as smart, as good defensively, and was matched in speed and power (if not outgunned).

Not throughout, Pac suffered KD and KO early and late in his career, and out of his prime if we consider Pac was prime from 2000 to 2010.

Roy's speed was unmatchable, that's why he never was hurt.
I think Roy always was chinny.

And to be fair, Pacquiao is related to PEDS because of accusations, unlike Roy who, in his case really failed a drug test in his career.

[IMDAZED]

Not throughout, Pac suffered KD and KO early and late in his career, and out of his prime if we consider Pac was prime from 2000 to 2010.

Roy's speed was unmatchable, that's why he never was hurt.
I think Roy always was chinny.

And to be fair, Pacquiao is related to PEDS because of accusations, unlike Roy who, in his case really failed a drug test in his career.

He was dropped by Nedal Hussein, rocked several times in his prime and was KO'ed as champ several times. Nothing much else needs to be said. Jones took plenty of punches as a champ and handled himself well. Even took punches from a HW. You're grasping at straws. In their primes, Jones was the better fighter. At worst, on par.