is it true George groves held his own against Andre dirrell?

[shade darkar]

We all know froch outlanded and bust dirrell up bad. but didnt look good in process. But people have mentioned andre dirrell and groves in sparring.

Did groves hold his own against dirrell in sparring, if so that is impressive...

keep telling yourself that, delusionalLAD

[lolpz]

The froch-dirrel descision was pretty pathetic along along with the froch-ward scorecard where ward won the first nine rounds and it wasnt even close in any of those rounds, then he won a minimum of one of the next 3 as well convincingly, with 2 close rounds. Dirrel beat froch convincingly as well, but close.

[#1Assassin]

He sparred Direll for Degale or at least the time I know. Direll said it on Behind the Ropes. If he did hold his own then he was also beaten up by Eubank Jr of all people at that very time as well. Sparring isn't really a good indicator of your progression, because some guys are awesome gym fighters and suck in actual fights and vice versa.

your overall point is correct but i disagree with your reasoning.

at local level there are plenty of fighters who are great in the gym but cant perform when its time to compete. groves and dirrell however are both former world title challengers, you dont get to that level if you arent able to perform come fight night.

you are right about sparring not being a great indicator though, but because fighters spar on a daily basis and are just going to have bad days. its just not realistic to go through an 8 week camp sparring five days a week and being on top of your game every time. everyone has bad days, decent days, good and great days etc.

but to the topic.. from what i heard both dirrell bros got the better of him slightly, but they both praised him afterwards saying it was tough and competitive sparring.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He gave dirrell a black eye that's all I know

Groves had a black eye at a few of the press conferences leading up to DeGale too - apparently from Dirrell

[hogey]

i think you must of missed your eye test as well.

the fights on youtube, you can clearly see the commentataors/dirrells face bloodied in the nose and mouth area, and has a black eye.

Forch was unmarked

You can also clearly see that experts such as Jimmy iwole, dan rafael, buncey, jim watt, thebigragu, graham houston etc all had froch winning.

Boxrec punch stats had froch winning

The press row had froch winning



But as i say im sure you can reschedule your eye test.

Sorry mate but that's BS fights are not won by giving the opponent a black eye. Dirrell threw twice as many punches and landed twice as many as well, Froch never hurt him once, but Froch was hurt on 2 occasions. For the first 9 rounds was Dirrell winning the majority of them on the backfoot and making Froch look like a clumsy amateur only the 10 and 11 rounds were clear for Froch the 12th was a clear Dirrell round with Froch in trouble at the end.
The vast majority of press covered it as a bit of a robbery, pretty much only the UK media thought that Froch deserved to keep his belt.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Sorry mate but that's BS fights are not won by giving the opponent a black eye. Dirrell threw twice as many punches and landed twice as many as well, Froch never hurt him once, but Froch was hurt on 2 occasions. For the first 9 rounds was Dirrell winning the majority of them on the backfoot and making Froch look like a clumsy amateur only the 10 and 11 rounds were clear for Froch the 12th was a clear Dirrell round with Froch in trouble at the end.
The vast majority of press covered it as a bit of a robbery, pretty much only the UK media thought that Froch deserved to keep his belt.

Think someone needs to watch the fight again because Dirrell was running and holding for dear life in the majority of the early rounds and probably had his best rounds towards the end where he buzzed Froch in the 10th or 11th if I remember right.

I think I had it 6-5-1 Dirrell, hardly a robbery. A robbery is when someone clearly dominates a fight and Andre didn't look very dominant when he was clinging onto Froch as if he was his girlfriend for the majority of the fight.

[#1Assassin]

Think someone needs to watch the fight again because Dirrell was running and holding for dear life in the majority of the early rounds and probably had his best rounds towards the end where he buzzed Froch in the 10th or 11th if I remember right.

I think I had it 6-5-1 Dirrell, hardly a robbery. A robbery is when someone clearly dominates a fight and Andre didn't look very dominant when he was clinging onto Froch as if he was his girlfriend for the majority of the fight.

the thing is dirrell really dominated the last three rounds and i think thats all some people remember, but none of them were 10-8 rounds and it just wasnt enough to give himself a clear lead on the cards. it could have gon either way in the end, i had it 6-6 in rounds which means froch won by a point with the point deduction to dirrell for holding.

i dont feel froch won the fight though, i think dirrell gave it away. when he went to work in the early and late rounds he handled froch fairly easily. but he had never been in with a fighter of frochs caliber or went 12 rounds before, it was a huge step up in class and i think he was worried about his ability to go 12 hard rounds.

thats the reason he did so much spoiling imo but unfortunately for him he threw away too many rounds. even though he looked great in the rounds he won and froch looked like **** in basically every round the amount of rounds each fighter won was very close. if it was scored as one 36min round dirrell clearly won, but divided into 12 separate rounds it could have went in either direction.

[slimshandy69]

the thing is dirrell really dominated the last three rounds and i think thats all some people remember, but none of them were 10-8 rounds and it just wasnt enough to give himself a clear lead on the cards. it could have gon either way in the end, i had it 6-6 in rounds which means froch won by a point with the point deduction to dirrell for holding.

i dont feel froch won the fight though, i think dirrell gave it away. when he went to work in the early and late rounds he handled froch fairly easily. but he had never been in with a fighter of frochs caliber or went 12 rounds before, it was a huge step up in class and i think he was worried about his ability to go 12 hard rounds.

thats the reason he did so much spoiling imo but unfortunately for him he threw away too many rounds. even though he looked great in the rounds he won and froch looked like **** in basically every round the amount of rounds each fighter won was very close. if it was scored as one 36min round dirrell clearly won, but divided into 12 separate rounds it could have went in either direction.

why did all the press row and experts such as dan rafael and manny steward, allan green etc all score it to froch???

Fact is even dirrell admitted froch won the 12th round in his post match interview, which of course he did.

Dirrells best round was the round he quite rioghtly was deducted a point for. So his best round was still a draw.

Bigragu(an american) score card the best ive seen. It was 115-113 to froch

Forhc landed bombs in the 3 and the 8th which both had dirrell holding.

As i say boxrec punch stats had froch throwing more and landing more.

So stop rewriting history, oh and it was a FACT that froch was unmarked and dirrell had a bloodied mouth and nose. And a marked up eye. Even the commentators mention it.

Froch on my card won by 4 rounds, dirrell literlly did nothing....

[ShoulderRoll]

When fighters spar they are typically trying to work on some aspect of their game. Losing or winning isn't really a consideration most of the time.

And Dirrell did beat Froch. Close but clear.

[M Bison]

When fighters spar they are typically trying to work on some aspect of their game. Losing or winning isn't really a consideration most of the time.

And Dirrell did beat Froch. Close but clear.

Would of Green K'd you if I could but totally agreed.