Comments Thread For: Koncz: Pacquiao-Marquez 5 Would Involve VADA Testing

[Bronx2245]

So many Floyd lovers in here who just done a 180 degree turn.

Who would have thought this adamant fighters of pro steroid testing is now okay with No testing. Hahaha!

If it fits their agenda hell yes!

Sorry, nice try. Floyd still supports testing. It's Manny who did the 180.

[ADP02]

The hypocrisy has officially come full circle

Testing? Blood testing? For what, exactly?

You are right, full circle for the Floyd yes men. You guys are just proving that you never cared about testing.

You all said that you wanted Manny to do testing. Now that he has been doing it for all of his fights, you say it's being a hypocrite. Just crazy but I knew all along ......

[285Kid]

Good I wanna see both Floyd and Marquez taking a VADA test not USADA

[ADP02]

Sorry, nice try. Floyd still supports testing. It's Manny who did the 180.

Another one .... Floyd fans wanted everyone to do it. Manny started a few fights ago. Instead of saying it's a good thing, they say that Manny is doing a 180. The most ironic thing about this, is that Floyd contradicts everything he says yet they pretend that is not the case.

[Ivanbe23]

There is no doubt that Marquez is juicing. C'mon how obvious does it need to be??

[Bronx2245]

There is only video proof of Rios doing VADA testing FACT ROBERT WAS ASKING IF PAC WAS DOING THE VADA TESTING THEY NEVER GOT A ANSWER BACK.

Here's the story (not saying it's true, but there was a controversy):

"Ariza, who was formerly Pacquiao’s strength and conditioning coach, made it clear that he suspected Pacquiao of no wrongdoing, but was just pointing out that maybe VADA was showing preferential treatment to the Filipino icon.

Shortly after Ariza’s quote was posted, Dr. Margaret Goodman, founder of VADA, released her own statement regarding the testing status of Pacquiao-Rios.

“I confirm that both fighters have been tested by VADA,” Goodman told Lem Satterfield of ******. “The results that we get go directly to the fighter, or to whomever he designates from his camp. They go to the promoter, which is obviously Top Rank, the China Commission, and it goes to the Association of Boxing Commissions.”

But as Ariza continued speaking about what he had allegedly been told by VADA’s own people, Goodman returned with a more specific statement regarding Ariza’s claims.

“That is a blatantly false and unsubstantiated story,” Goodman told Boxingscene. “Pacquiao and Rios have been tested by VADA, and any further information should be obtained from the fighters’ respective camps, Top Rank, and the commission in Macau, China.”

As the story spread among fans and began being reported by other media, sides were taken and the usual biases showed themselves. Was Ariza lying? Was Pacquiao, indeed, getting preferential treatment? Had this whole situation become one hot mess?

In a he said-she said debate, one would be more inclined to believe Dr. Goodman, but this isn’t such a black and white issue based on the information we have.

Allegedly, there was a video, recorded by Ellie Seckbach, of VADA officials arriving to test Rios at Robert Garcia’s gym. In the video, it was alleged that Ariza’s side of the story is confirmed. This video, pulled from You Tube shortly after this controversy erupted, allegedly shows a VADA rep indicating that Pacquiao had yet to be tested and wouldn’t be tested until he arrived in China (about one week before the fight). The existence of this video, in its original form, has been confirmed to this writer by another writer who viewed it before it was removed.

Then, on Wednesday afternoon, Pacquiao publicist, Fred Sternburg, issued the following statement via his personal Twitter account:

“@Vada_Testing gave @MannyPacquiao his second random test yesterday. Tester flew in from Germany. Test No. 1 was negative for both fighters.”

To complicate matters even more, the video that had been pulled from You Tube, reappeared later in the day, heavily edited and lacking in any concrete proof of anything other than that VADA was, indeed, there. In the new edit, there is still a brief moment where Rios and his team question whether Pacquiao had been tested and one of the VADA reps can be seen saying, “maybe in China.”

Ellie Seckbach, in the past, has edited potentially controversial videos in deference to Top Rank. Most notably, back in 2010, prior to the Antonio Margarito-Manny Pacquiao bout , when a gym video was edited to remove evidence of Margarito, Brandon Rios, and Robert Garcia mocking Freddie Roach’s Parkinson’s Disease. As for the current Rios/VADA video, it’s unclear what has been edited out of the recording without having first seen the original.

In clear damage control mode, Top Rank, promoter to both Rios and Pacquiao, pushed VADA into issuing an official middle-of-the-night statement:

“Top Rank has requested that VADA issue the following statement, hereby confirming that both Manny Pacquiao and Brandon Rios have each been tested at least twice since they entered the VADA program on September 12, 2013 and that both camps have cooperated fully. VADA salutes Top Rank, Team Pacquiao, and Team Rios for their commitment to clean sport.”

What remains odd is the fact that, while photos and videos have been taken of Rios being tested, no such evidence, at least to this writer’s knowledge, exists of Pacquiao’s tests. One can’t help but assume that Manny Pacquiao’s first ever random blood test would be a huge story, at the very least confirmed with a newspaper or website story chronicling it—especially in the Philippines where Pacquiao’s every movement is front page material.

It’s also hard to believe that VADA—as a very public relations-savvy organization—wouldn’t seize upon the opportunity to highlight superstar Manny’s active participation in their organization with a video and/or snap shot of the historic event. They have certainly seized upon opportunities to promote their testing efforts with lesser stars such as Nonito Donaire and Edwin Rodriguez."

http://theboxingtribune.com/2013/10/was-he-or-wasnt-he-tested-truth-behind-pacquiao-peds-testing-lost-in-sea-of-confusion/

[Spoon23]

I like Marquez, i do however suspect he is on something, i could be wrong but it is my personal opinion, BUT WOW the nerve of Pac's team for asking for this, do they not see the hypocrisy in this, i know Pac fans are supporting this and that's fine but do guys honestly not see how hypocitical this is? Seriously?? Not a Floyd fan at all but where was this years ago???

The nerve?

Pac almost brutally died in their 4th with Marquez new found physique. Who with his rightful mind not want extra testing.

In their previous fights 1-3 Pac was eating and handling Marquez very well. even how solid it was, Pac took it.

I'm talking about the first knock down on the fourth by Marquez to Pac. The looping overhand right. Not the one that decked Pac for good.

He has found new power at the prune age of 40. Pac would be naive if he didn't demand the extra testing route.

[Spoon23]

To dimwits who don't get it.

Pac almost died in the ring that one frightful night in boxing.

[Resilient]

Here's the story (not saying it's true, but there was a controversy):

"Ariza, who was formerly Pacquiao’s strength and conditioning coach, made it clear that he suspected Pacquiao of no wrongdoing, but was just pointing out that maybe VADA was showing preferential treatment to the Filipino icon.

Shortly after Ariza’s quote was posted, Dr. Margaret Goodman, founder of VADA, released her own statement regarding the testing status of Pacquiao-Rios.

“I confirm that both fighters have been tested by VADA,” Goodman told Lem Satterfield of ******. “The results that we get go directly to the fighter, or to whomever he designates from his camp. They go to the promoter, which is obviously Top Rank, the China Commission, and it goes to the Association of Boxing Commissions.”

But as Ariza continued speaking about what he had allegedly been told by VADA’s own people, Goodman returned with a more specific statement regarding Ariza’s claims.

“That is a blatantly false and unsubstantiated story,” Goodman told Boxingscene. “Pacquiao and Rios have been tested by VADA, and any further information should be obtained from the fighters’ respective camps, Top Rank, and the commission in Macau, China.”

As the story spread among fans and began being reported by other media, sides were taken and the usual biases showed themselves. Was Ariza lying? Was Pacquiao, indeed, getting preferential treatment? Had this whole situation become one hot mess?

In a he said-she said debate, one would be more inclined to believe Dr. Goodman, but this isn’t such a black and white issue based on the information we have.

Allegedly, there was a video, recorded by Ellie Seckbach, of VADA officials arriving to test Rios at Robert Garcia’s gym. In the video, it was alleged that Ariza’s side of the story is confirmed. This video, pulled from You Tube shortly after this controversy erupted, allegedly shows a VADA rep indicating that Pacquiao had yet to be tested and wouldn’t be tested until he arrived in China (about one week before the fight). The existence of this video, in its original form, has been confirmed to this writer by another writer who viewed it before it was removed.

Then, on Wednesday afternoon, Pacquiao publicist, Fred Sternburg, issued the following statement via his personal Twitter account:

“@Vada_Testing gave @MannyPacquiao his second random test yesterday. Tester flew in from Germany. Test No. 1 was negative for both fighters.”

To complicate matters even more, the video that had been pulled from You Tube, reappeared later in the day, heavily edited and lacking in any concrete proof of anything other than that VADA was, indeed, there. In the new edit, there is still a brief moment where Rios and his team question whether Pacquiao had been tested and one of the VADA reps can be seen saying, “maybe in China.”

Ellie Seckbach, in the past, has edited potentially controversial videos in deference to Top Rank. Most notably, back in 2010, prior to the Antonio Margarito-Manny Pacquiao bout , when a gym video was edited to remove evidence of Margarito, Brandon Rios, and Robert Garcia mocking Freddie Roach’s Parkinson’s Disease. As for the current Rios/VADA video, it’s unclear what has been edited out of the recording without having first seen the original.

In clear damage control mode, Top Rank, promoter to both Rios and Pacquiao, pushed VADA into issuing an official middle-of-the-night statement:

“Top Rank has requested that VADA issue the following statement, hereby confirming that both Manny Pacquiao and Brandon Rios have each been tested at least twice since they entered the VADA program on September 12, 2013 and that both camps have cooperated fully. VADA salutes Top Rank, Team Pacquiao, and Team Rios for their commitment to clean sport.”

What remains odd is the fact that, while photos and videos have been taken of Rios being tested, no such evidence, at least to this writer’s knowledge, exists of Pacquiao’s tests. One can’t help but assume that Manny Pacquiao’s first ever random blood test would be a huge story, at the very least confirmed with a newspaper or website story chronicling it—especially in the Philippines where Pacquiao’s every movement is front page material.

It’s also hard to believe that VADA—as a very public relations-savvy organization—wouldn’t seize upon the opportunity to highlight superstar Manny’s active participation in their organization with a video and/or snap shot of the historic event. They have certainly seized upon opportunities to promote their testing efforts with lesser stars such as Nonito Donaire and Edwin Rodriguez."

http://theboxingtribune.com/2013/10/...-of-confusion/

Where's the pictures and video or Floyd being tested?

[Bronx2245]

Another one .... Floyd fans wanted everyone to do it. Manny started a few fights ago. Instead of saying it's a good thing, they say that Manny is doing a 180. The most ironic thing about this, is that Floyd contradicts everything he says yet they pretend that is not the case.

If he didn't wait until he got KO'd it would be different. I'm glad he's doing it NOW, but you should recognize the hypocrisy of fans accusing Marquez, especially after Freddie admitted Ariza was giving Manny special shakes. That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Marquez and Manny are both suspect, and now they both should take the tests.