This is the Only SMOKING GUN I need When it comes to Marquez

[Jewel]

The hypocrisy of some Pacquiao fans, I must admit, is truly sickening

[#1Assassin]

idk why people go out of their way to get their point across only to throw themselves in front of the bus by saying something so ****** and clearly biased nobody could ever take them serious on the subject..

marquez never came close to putting pacquiao down? he had him badly wobbled in both the first and second fight and hurt him several times in each bout. hurt him a few times in the third as well, pacquiao has admitted it himself too.

the only thing surprising about marquez' ability to put pacquiao away was how brutally he did it, but anybody with a brain knew marquez had the power to hurt manny. he did it in three straight fights already.

that said its easy to see how he managed to do it, he walked him into the shot. just like martinez did williams, he spent 12 rounds dropping bombs on him in their first meeting only to knock him nearly cold with a single punch in their second fight. why? because like marquez he times it perfectly and walked him into a shot he never saw coming.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

idk why people go out of their way to get their point across only to throw themselves in front of the bus by saying something so ****** and clearly biased nobody could ever take them serious on the subject..

marquez never came close to putting pacquiao down? he had him badly wobbled in both the first and second fight and hurt him several times in each bout. hurt him a few times in the third as well, pacquiao has admitted it himself too.

the only thing surprising about marquez' ability to put pacquiao away was how brutally he did it, but anybody with a brain knew marquez had the power to hurt manny. he did it in three straight fights already.

that said its easy to see how he managed to do it, he walked him into the shot. just like martinez did williams, he spent 12 rounds dropping bombs on him in their first meeting only to knock him nearly cold with a single punch in their second fight. why? because like marquez he times it perfectly and walked him into a shot he never saw coming.

lmfaaooo at badly wobbled. talk about over exaggerating things.

marquez never came close to putting pacquiao down in any of the first 3 fights.

sure pacquiao was hurt before and stunned by marquez but nowhere in any of the 3 fights was pacquiao badly wobbled come on stop the bull****.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Using the whole weight draining excuse too ok let's go with it. He the same can we said about JMM who is very close in size compared to PAC. So which is it being drained or steroids? You can't have it both ways

Dude I'm not even accusing anyone of roids I think both are clean because neither have failed tests, but you said the issue was Pac's jump in weight. So I answered why it was so easy for Pac to keep power and move up in weight. Look at Pac in 2008, he was still rehydrating to 145.
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I have NEVER accused Marquez of roids, I have always claimed Marquez's punch as an ATG counter for the ages. Not to mention Pacquiao's momentum, and as Pac stepped forward, Marquez put his lead foot slightly to the left and onto Pac's foot giving Marquez the most force he could generate on that punch.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Dude I'm not even accusing anyone of roids I think both are clean because neither have failed tests, but you said the issue was Pac's jump in weight. So I answered why it was so easy for Pac to keep power and move up in weight. Look at Pac in 2008, he was still rehydrating to 145.
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I have NEVER accused Marquez of roids, I have always claimed Marquez's punch as an ATG counter for the ages. Not to mention Pacquiao's momentum, and as Pac stepped forward, Marquez put his lead foot slightly to the left and onto Pac's foot giving Marquez the most force he could generate on that punch.

anybody who uses pacquiao's weights as a reason for ped use is highly dumb and ignorant.

that has been debunked already several times.

there was no huge weight gain or weight anomaly by pacquiao.

[Hyper Knuckles]

It's a mother****in witch hunt in here.. what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[Chuckguy]

anybody who uses pacquiao's weights as a reason for ped use is highly dumb and ignorant.

that has been debunked already several times.

there was no huge weight gain or weight anomaly by pacquiao.

It's not the actual weight that's an issue it's what he did at those weight classes against top opposition and against men who were naturally bigger than him. Name another fighter that has done that? That is super suspect .

[Hyper Knuckles]

The hypocrisy of some Pacquiao fans, I must admit, is truly sickening

You win.....

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

It's not the actual weight that's an issue it's what he did at those weight classes against top opposition and against men who were naturally bigger than him. Name another fighter that has done that? That is super suspect .

what's suspect about it?

can you explain what you are trying to imply?

plenty of boxers have won from flyweight to lightheavyweight to heavyweight.

dont make school you on this.

i mean who did pacquiao really smash that was naturally bigger than him?

clottey he couldnt do nothing to. he just got outboxed and outworked. shane was knocked down but survived all 12 rounds. margarito is a one dimensional plodder. he survived 12 rounds. hatton is basically the same size as pacquiao. hatton if we are to believe floyd was cracked already. i mean if power punchers collazo and floyd hurt hatton, its su****ious that a soft puncher like pacquiao knocked him out?

who else? david diaz? are you serious? kangaroo meat oscar who retired after the fight?

come on dude.

[SlySlickSmooth]

It's not the actual weight that's an issue it's what he did at those weight classes against top opposition and against men who were naturally bigger than him. Name another fighter that has done that? That is super suspect .

Manny can't knockout drained DLH and drained Margarito. Oh he juicin doe.

Gets 1 punch KO on Hatton(who weighed 152 on fight night) - oh he juicin doe
Marquez gets 1 punch KO on Pac - he clean doe

I'm not sure how much Cotto is on fight night but hes obviously blown up even fighting at 154, which is a weight Manny said he would not even fight at after Margs. That said, Pacquiao proved he was the better fighter that night - oh he juicin doe.