shoulder roll = terrible if you have slow reflexes

[arizashakes]

Toney was a masterful reader of his opponent's intentions. Defensively he didn't have anything like Mayweather's reflexes, but his superb instincts allowed him to counter beautifully from that posture.

Roach said that Toney was by far the greatest fighter he'd ever known in that respect. Not only could he anticipate what was coming, he had an ability to throw unorthodox counter shots in response that the opponent would never expect.

Toney's probably the best example of an instinctively brilliant philly shell counterpuncher, whereas Mayweather's a great example of a sharp, fast, reflexively brilliant one.

Broner is an example of neither.

Great analysis. But you forgot one guy, Berto? Lol joke.

[Los Zetas]

all people with name b cant do shoulder roll

berto

bernard

broner

bradley

[Evil_Meat]

all people with name b cant do shoulder roll

berto

bernard

broner

bradley

IMO Bernard isn't too bad with the shoulder roll but what springs to mind for me is how bad Oscar was at using the shoulder roll against Vargas.