Mayweather-Maidana does 854,000 PPV buys?

[JDD1]

i just explained to u the reasons why. canelo hasnt fought anyone with a name as high as floyd therefore his numbers without floyd will not be as high as his numbers with floyd because with lesser name opponents, fans will not always support it. now if he's fighting a big name, possibly one of the biggest in boxing right now, this will bring out all of his fans to support it. floyd vs canelo, i'll say its an 80% ratio to 20 and im being fair here. 80% of the fans came for canelo and it was obvious during the ring walk in.

As I said earlier, when JMM ko'd manny it was clear it was a pro JMM crowd but you wouldn't suggest ppv sales were related to JMM.

As for Canelo, maybe its because he lost. Floyd seemed to keep a good % of fans after the ODH fight when he fought hatton. Canelo didn't keep anywhere near that %.

I just think people would come up with any reason other trhan just admitting fans like floyd as a reason for his sales staying relatively high.

[RlCKY]

But Floyd a good biniss man tho and dats why he fought dat way so the rematch can do 1.6 miyyion buys and den bolf fights average over a miyyion,

[Toyman]

so manny on his own in his last fight sold 700k.

Floyd, on cinco de mayo, with a stacked undercard only managed about 850k.

When you isolate the cinco de mayo + stacked undercard (the most expensive in history), floyds true drawing power is probably in the region of 500k. On the other hand, Manny was the ONLY real attraction on his card and he got 200k more than floyd... interesting.

[Evol]

As I said earlier, when JMM ko'd manny it was clear it was a pro JMM crowd but you wouldn't suggest ppv sales were related to JMM.

As for Canelo, maybe its because he lost. Floyd seemed to keep a good % of fans after the ODH fight when he fought hatton. Canelo didn't keep anywhere near that %.

I just think people would come up with any reason other trhan just admitting fans like floyd as a reason for his sales staying relatively high.

u cant compare pac vs jmm 4 to floyd vs canelo, fans wise. pac vs marquez 4was pretty much even although i will give the mexican crowd the edge for being louder, but is there ever a time when they're quiet? and im not gonna get into this with u, because i know floyd does have some real true fans but lets cut the crap out about fans liking floyd. i guess u didnt see the showtime all access when floyd was out in his own backyard and was getting trashed on by some random couple LOL!! i mean how many times have u seen this done to other fighters in their own town?

[Evol]

so manny on his own in his last fight sold 700k.

Floyd, on cinco de mayo, with a stacked undercard only managed about 850k.

When you isolate the cinco de mayo + stacked undercard (the most expensive in history), floyds true drawing power is probably in the region of 500k. On the other hand, Manny was the ONLY real attraction on his card and he got 200k more than floyd... interesting.

so true, but floyd fans will choose to ignored that part... now all of a sudden stack under cards doesnt mean anything to them LOL

[JDD1]

Yeah there was for Canelo.

Not sure where Garcia/Matthyse would be and the exact figures coz the promoter's marketing ploy would be different for them and they'll of course have feasibility study of the demographics first then when they have data they could look at a few more things to consider upping the sales. A conservative figure would be 150k and of course I could be talking outta my @ss, but a carefully crafted plan to up the sales will change everything (ie; pre-fight hype, circus acts, obscure press releases, all of which Floyd's a master).

Then and now are totally different, and I would belive you when you thought Floyd was bigger than Tyson on that packaging aspect alone. The digital age proved so much more effective getting all the messages across as against to yesteryears where media was very limited at Tyson's time, despite having JCC in the undercard. it could also work on the downside as technology also brings in the streams which are readily available for consumers hardcore and casuals alike.

good post. which leads me to believe the reason floyd sells is his popularity coupled with he and his teams ability to utilize social media better than other fighters.

The estimate for matts/Garcia is fair. Now lets say they were being charged the same price for this as the headlining fight? I can't see people buying that fight at that price.

I agree with your last paragraph. which leads back to my first sentence above. If he is asking his team to mine NSB and other boards and then takes that info and incorporates it on his cards-he deserves credit for that.

Boxing isn't like free TV sports-you can't call someone and say yo KObe is doing work turn on TNT. As with every fighter in history- no fighter sells a ticket once the fight starts. WHat you do prior to the fight is what generates sales. Floyd has mastered this and IMO deserves credit.

[junior gong]

Shoulder troll just had to make his 700k thread because this one upset him so much. Flowmo'ing at its very greasiest!

[toyboy33]

Rick Glaser is the most important 'inside' man in boxing. He says so all the time.

[Hitman932]

Regardless, PPV numbers have never mattered to me. As a fan, I just want to see good fights and Mayweather/Maidana and Pacquiao/Bradley II were both excellent and entertaining fights, so you guys can have at it as far as picking a "winner."

While I don't care about the PPV#'s any more than the next person the fact is - as fans of good fights - we should be concerned.

By all accounts A Floyd PPV needs to do 1.4-1.5 million to be profitable for Showtime. Even if this fight did a million it'd be a huge loss and unlike after the Guerrero fight there is no Canelo fight looming to make up for it.

People who think Floyd's PPVs losing SHO a ton of money won't affect the quality of programming and fights are being naive.

I'm not going to take satisfaction in the numbers because Floyd still gets paid regardless - it's SHO that is the loser here as well as the rest of the guys who will be taking financial hits as Showtime tries to make up for their loss.

[JDD1]

u cant compare pac vs jmm 4 to floyd vs canelo, fans wise. pac vs marquez 4was pretty much even although i will give the mexican crowd the edge for being louder, but is there ever a time when they're quiet? and im not gonna get into this with u, because i know floyd does have some real true fans but lets cut the crap out about fans liking floyd. i guess u didnt see the showtime all access when floyd was out in his own backyard and was getting trashed on by some random couple LOL!! i mean how many times have u seen this done to other fighters in their own town?

If you say so. If thats the case-do you attribute 50% of ppv sales to JMM?

I see your response to toyman so its clear where you are at on this. You will accept as valid any reason anyone posts so long as the main point is manny sells as well as floyd even though the sales for his last 2 fights averages under 600k (if those numbers are correct)