At last! Arum backs down...

[SnoopySmurf]

Those clitoris gloves really hurt! I mean...Clito Reyes...gloves.

[ReneV]

Now all those naysayers who said PAC didn't damage EM that much, where are they now? Guys like morancito and company? Where are you now?

let this be another lesson to naysayers. EM is taking months to heal himself, PAC DESTROYED EM, and that's just it. Broken eye sockets, cheekbones, ribs and bones is a damaged fighter. I hope EM doesn't carry those injuried for life.

Back to my point. It is lame for EM's camp to demand a rematch at 132. An agreement has been reached at 130 and signed by the parties. All EM has to do is comply with it.

In my mind, the third fight will be a rather easier bout for PAC. He can refine his skills more and hone his sharpness even better. EM won't be bringing anything new to the table. PAC on the other hand, is still peaking and learning new killer moves. The Manile Ice will just get better and better, hopefully even as good or better than the left hand.

You pac-fans are over doing it with Manny's victory over EM. Yes he beat EM bt tko, but remember it wasn't by KO even with "reyes" gloves. Your use of the word "destroyed" is really over exaggerating. Everyone who saw the fight knows that EM was beating Manny silly and easily AGAIN the first five rounds. And it seemed that Manny's fans were getting prepared for another disappointing lost again. Even HBO commentators were saying "it's the same thing all over again." But it all came down to EM ran out of gas and that's to EM fault for his lack of serious training and being over confident to even changing trainers right before this second chance that he gave Manny. Even EM dad critizied EM traing before the fight. EM ran out of gas and Manny capitalized on that and in the process EM got his ass beat: being so tired to fight back. But those knock downs were simply tiredness on EM behalf and not because of a hit on the chin that put EM on the ground to say that Manny's power was the reason that Eric went down. And I don't take away nothing from Manny he fought a smart fight and he came well prepared, But EM didn't. but that happens with fighters that come over confident especially if he already beat him once. But to say "It's lame for EM camp to demand a rematch at 132?" It's not lame. It wasn't lame for EM to give Manny a second chance to redeem himself was it?EM didn't have to give Manny a rematch he could've run with his win over Manny and say "I don't have to fight Manny again,I already beat him and even gave him a final chance to knock me out turning southpaw in the twelve round but he couldn't do it, I'm satisfied with my win and I need to move on and go go have a rematch with Raheem." But instead he gave Manny a second chance not needing to. Was that lame? Manny is quoted as responding to the offer at 132 as saying "Why should I give EM an advantage at 132 when I already beat him? My answer: The same way EM gave Manny an advantage with a rematch at 130 when EM knowingly was already having trouble making weight at 130 even after EM had already beaten him. EM could have demanded that if Manny wanted the rematch it's was going to have to be at 135. But just to please his fans he did it at 130. Thta's a true champion. Manny knows what EM is capable of when he's well prepared and that's why he won't return the favor. there just 1 on 1. But it's nothing EM has never been at before. It's no big deal he will be back again. You know how I know this? Because Eric and his camp was not crying like sissy's when Manny beat him,Like Manny's corner was when EM beat him. Manny didn't bring nothing new to the table EM was still handling him well. It was just he ran out of gas. You try getting in the ring not conditionally prepared and see if you won't get your brains beaten out, That can happen to any boxer. I know you pac-fans want to feel that you have a superman in your hands and that with those "reyes" gloves he has super human strength But remember when your one wonderboy fought Marquez wich you also say that he "destroyed". Yes, He knocked down Marquez three times, But he couldn't finish Marquez off even with the "reyes" gloves. As a matter of fact he himself almost got knocked out himself. But he didn't destroy Marquez, Marquez even managed to even the fight and tie it with Manny using "reyes" gloves and all.

[Alibata]

You pac-fans are over doing it with Manny's victory over EM. Yes he beat EM bt tko, but remember it wasn't by KO even with "reyes" gloves. Your use of the word "destroyed" is really over exaggerating. Everyone who saw the fight knows that EM was beating Manny silly and easily AGAIN the first five rounds. And it seemed that Manny's fans were getting prepared for another disappointing lost again. Even HBO commentators were saying "it's the same thing all over again." But it all came down to EM ran out of gas and that's to EM fault for his lack of serious training and being over confident to even changing trainers right before this second chance that he gave Manny. Even EM dad critizied EM traing before the fight. EM ran out of gas and Manny capitalized on that and in the process EM got his ass beat: being so tired to fight back. But those knock downs were simply tiredness on EM behalf and not because of a hit on the chin that put EM on the ground to say that Manny's power was the reason that Eric went down. And I don't take away nothing from Manny he fought a smart fight and he came well prepared, But EM didn't. but that happens with fighters that come over confident especially if he already beat him once. But to say "It's lame for EM camp to demand a rematch at 132?" It's not lame. It wasn't lame for EM to give Manny a second chance to redeem himself was it?EM didn't have to give Manny a rematch he could've run with his win over Manny and say "I don't have to fight Manny again,I already beat him and even gave him a final chance to knock me out turning southpaw in the twelve round but he couldn't do it, I'm satisfied with my win and I need to move on and go go have a rematch with Raheem." But instead he gave Manny a second chance not needing to. Was that lame? Manny is quoted as responding to the offer at 132 as saying "Why should I give EM an advantage at 132 when I already beat him? My answer: The same way EM gave Manny an advantage with a rematch at 130 when EM knowingly was already having trouble making weight at 130 even after EM had already beaten him. EM could have demanded that if Manny wanted the rematch it's was going to have to be at 135. But just to please his fans he did it at 130. Thta's a true champion. Manny knows what EM is capable of when he's well prepared and that's why he won't return the favor. there just 1 on 1. But it's nothing EM has never been at before. It's no big deal he will be back again. You know how I know this? Because Eric and his camp was not crying like sissy's when Manny beat him,Like Manny's corner was when EM beat him. Manny didn't bring nothing new to the table EM was still handling him well. It was just he ran out of gas. You try getting in the ring not conditionally prepared and see if you won't get your brains beaten out, That can happen to any boxer. I know you pac-fans want to feel that you have a superman in your hands and that with those "reyes" gloves he has super human strength But remember when your one wonderboy fought Marquez wich you also say that he "destroyed". Yes, He knocked down Marquez three times, But he couldn't finish Marquez off even with the "reyes" gloves. As a matter of fact he himself almost got knocked out himself. But he didn't destroy Marquez, Marquez even managed to even the fight and tie it with Manny using "reyes" gloves and all.

Damn that was long, I admit i did not read the whole thing but I get the point. You are saying Manny's power did not really affect Erik, it was more of his conditioning.

I would've believed you except that I saw Erik almost getting knocked out in the 2nd and 6th rounds were conditioning was not even a factor yet. Erik was feeling those punches and the accumulation is what took him down.

[ReneV]

Damn that was long, I admit i did not read the whole thing but I get the point. You are saying Manny's power did not really affect Erik, it was more of his conditioning.

I would've believed you except that I saw Erik almost getting knocked out in the 2nd and 6th rounds were conditioning was not even a factor yet. Erik was feeling those punches and the accumulation is what took him down.

Yea, I know it was a long answer but I just had to point all that out. Anyways yes Manny did get in a really good shot in the second round but EM recuperated quick and continued well with what he was doing to Manny and as I said up until the fifth round he was doing fine until he started to run out of gas from the six and up. From the end of the six you could tell he was done. The rest of the fight he was just fighting on pride and heart. But that doesn't always keeps your legs going.

[Alibata]

Yea, I know it was a long answer but I just had to point all that out. Anyways yes Manny did get in a really good shot in the second round but EM recuperated quick and continued well with what he was doing to Manny and as I said up until the fifth round he was doing fine until he started to run out of gas from the six and up. From the end of the six you could tell he was done. The rest of the fight he was just fighting on pride and heart. But that doesn't always keeps your legs going.

That was the worse beating I have ever seen Morales take, EVER. To say that those punches did not do an overall on Morales is just super humanizing Morales. Morales is great but was never super human. Morales was hit alot by one of the hardest punchers in the sport. He was brutalized in the 6th. I was surprised he was still standing but was sure the punishment he took damaged him for the entire fight. You could say he got tired, which is possible, but the obvious fact is that he was beat. He was alive in the 6th and dead after that vicious round. The 7th was the same amount of punishment. Yes his legs would be gone.

[ReneV]

That was the worse beating I have ever seen Morales take, EVER. To say that those punches did not do an overall on Morales is just super humanizing Morales. Morales is great but was never super human. Morales was hit alot by one of the hardest punchers in the sport. He was brutalized in the 6th. I was surprised he was still standing but was sure the punishment he took damaged him for the entire fight. You could say he got tired, which is possible, but the obvious fact is that he was beat. He was alive in the 6th and dead after that vicious round. The 7th was the same amount of punishment. Yes his legs would be gone.

Yes Morales was beat this time. But humiliating? I don't think so. Humiliating would be if Manny would've knocked him out and he had stayed down. The reason almost everyone see's it humiliating is because he lost and had never been stopped. And of course Morales was never super human as pac-fans make out Manny almost to be because of the "reyes" gloves. It's just plain dumb. But I think Morales learned a lesson and it will be a totally different story next time around.

[Katz]

Yea, I know it was a long answer but I just had to point all that out. Anyways yes Manny did get in a really good shot in the second round but EM recuperated quick and continued well with what he was doing to Manny and as I said up until the fifth round he was doing fine until he started to run out of gas from the six and up. From the end of the six you could tell he was done. The rest of the fight he was just fighting on pride and heart. But that doesn't always keeps your legs going.

lol! that second round Pure Money Punch is a sure Knock Down if Erik wasnt holding the ropes (there is a Rule when you do that will be considered a Knockdown).

He was started to Run out of Gas because of the BODY PUNCHES, everytime Manny lands a right hook to the body, Erik's facial reaction is like "OUCHHHH".

Its a funny excuse like "he control the fight before he was KTFO"

[Chups]

Yes Morales was beat this time. But humiliating? I don't think so. Humiliating would be if Manny would've knocked him out and he had stayed down. The reason almost everyone see's it humiliating is because he lost and had never been stopped. And of course Morales was never super human as pac-fans make out Manny almost to be because of the "reyes" gloves. It's just plain dumb. But I think Morales learned a lesson and it will be a totally different story next time around.

Like you said That's why.

[JoartCC]

You pac-fans are over doing it with Manny's victory over EM. Yes he beat EM bt tko, but remember it wasn't by KO even with "reyes" gloves. Your use of the word "destroyed" is really over exaggerating. Everyone who saw the fight knows that EM was beating Manny silly and easily AGAIN the first five rounds. And it seemed that Manny's fans were getting prepared for another disappointing lost again. Even HBO commentators were saying "it's the same thing all over again." But it all came down to EM ran out of gas and that's to EM fault for his lack of serious training and being over confident to even changing trainers right before this second chance that he gave Manny. Even EM dad critizied EM traing before the fight. EM ran out of gas and Manny capitalized on that and in the process EM got his ass beat: being so tired to fight back. But those knock downs were simply tiredness on EM behalf and not because of a hit on the chin that put EM on the ground to say that Manny's power was the reason that Eric went down. And I don't take away nothing from Manny he fought a smart fight and he came well prepared, But EM didn't. but that happens with fighters that come over confident especially if he already beat him once. But to say "It's lame for EM camp to demand a rematch at 132?" It's not lame. It wasn't lame for EM to give Manny a second chance to redeem himself was it?EM didn't have to give Manny a rematch he could've run with his win over Manny and say "I don't have to fight Manny again,I already beat him and even gave him a final chance to knock me out turning southpaw in the twelve round but he couldn't do it, I'm satisfied with my win and I need to move on and go go have a rematch with Raheem." But instead he gave Manny a second chance not needing to. Was that lame? Manny is quoted as responding to the offer at 132 as saying "Why should I give EM an advantage at 132 when I already beat him? My answer: The same way EM gave Manny an advantage with a rematch at 130 when EM knowingly was already having trouble making weight at 130 even after EM had already beaten him. EM could have demanded that if Manny wanted the rematch it's was going to have to be at 135. But just to please his fans he did it at 130. Thta's a true champion. Manny knows what EM is capable of when he's well prepared and that's why he won't return the favor. there just 1 on 1. But it's nothing EM has never been at before. It's no big deal he will be back again. You know how I know this? Because Eric and his camp was not crying like sissy's when Manny beat him,Like Manny's corner was when EM beat him. Manny didn't bring nothing new to the table EM was still handling him well. It was just he ran out of gas. You try getting in the ring not conditionally prepared and see if you won't get your brains beaten out, That can happen to any boxer. I know you pac-fans want to feel that you have a superman in your hands and that with those "reyes" gloves he has super human strength But remember when your one wonderboy fought Marquez wich you also say that he "destroyed". Yes, He knocked down Marquez three times, But he couldn't finish Marquez off even with the "reyes" gloves. As a matter of fact he himself almost got knocked out himself. But he didn't destroy Marquez, Marquez even managed to even the fight and tie it with Manny using "reyes" gloves and all.

Excuses without validation is a sign of a loser.

EM being affected by his conditioning is a lame argument with weak basis.

If EM is being affected by his conditioning, then why the hell did he win the early rounds in slick fashion? That's not the look of a fighter who's not in condition.

Also why is EM taking months to recover if the simple issue is conditioning?

The answer is, PAC DESTROYED him and LITERALLY. Taking months to recover from broken ribs, eye sockets, cheek bones, and nose isn't a matter of conditioning. It's a matter of how bad you got ur ass handed to you. ANd EM got his real bad.

But the bottomline is, it's a warning to those naysayers that in the future, they should try to analyze the facts more. SO that results will then be on their favor.

It's an on-going argument and whoever gets it wrong, gets their arguments dumped hard on their faces.

[xcaret]

Those clitoris gloves really hurt! I mean...Clito Reyes...gloves.

You failed at being funny.