Comments Thread For: Subpar Foe Doesn’t Mean Klitschko’s Not an All-Timer

[Boxing Goat]

boystyov hadn't fought a soul. why would that be a good fight? how he got to number 1 is mind boggling. he must have a powerful promoter. as to how leapai got put into the mandatory... more funny behind the scenes shenanigans. the fight against boystov wasn't an eliminator. it wasn't even a 12 round fight and all of a sudden he's appointed mandatory?

Boystov has a weak resume but he was undefeated, expected to win and was in the top ten Ring rankings for several years.

People forget how Wlad just abused the #1 challenger in his last fight and is in line to face the new #1 challenger in between the mandatory defense.

Some people on here are so naive and impossible to please.

[LacedUp]

Boystov has a weak resume but he was undefeated, expected to win and was in the top ten Ring rankings for several years.

People forget how Wlad just abused the #1 challenger in his last fight and is in line to face the new #1 challenger in between the mandatory defense.

Some people on here are so naive and impossible to please.

Hugging and clinching counts as 'abused'?

Stop sucking his **** man. He ****** against Povetkin.

[Boxing Goat]

Hugging and clinching counts as 'abused'?

Stop sucking his **** man. He ****** against Povetkin.

He beat the #1 challenger in every aspect of the game and dropped him 4 times en route to a total annihilation to his mandatory.

When Hopkins holds, hits in the hip while holding, head butts, fakes injury, etc. it's brilliance from an old genius. When Wladimir does it, it's 'sucking'. Why do you show up in any and all Klitschko threads anyways?

Hmmm, I wonder?

[parrish duke]

To anyone that even tries to compare Wlad to the Great Joe Louis, read this excerpt below from a true boxing mind that is un biased.



"Louis was a quiet assassin. Wlad is just quiet"

I have read your comments in the past and you seem to be hard on Wladimir Klitschko but you praise Joe Louis. Both of their competition has been poor not just Wladimir’s. Yet you rate Louis really high but not Wlad and the results were similar? Why?

Bread’s Response: First off just look at Joe Louis fight. Pick a fight between 1938-42, which was his prime, and check him out. He was simply magnificent. He had perfect balance, perfect punch technique and the perfect demeanor. He was the greatest puncher and finisher in boxing history. He also had the best punch delivery and his prime was 70 years ago. That should tell you something about his technical skills.
Now you say Louis’s competition was poor but I think it was average to good. I think the term “Bum of the Month Club” was used at the time to discredit how great Mr. Louis was. Anytime you have a fighter defend a title in extended reigns he will have B and C class competition. Nobody will make 15 defenses against 15 HOFs. But those writers that called his competition “bums” didn’t mention that Louis crammed his 25 title defenses in about 7 years of an active reign. Louis was also robbed of some prime performances by World War II but NO ONE ever talks about it. Look closely at his record. After the first quarter of 1942 he didn’t defend his title again until 1944 and that was really an exhibition bout that they decided to count. Then after that he didn’t defend again until 1946 and his best days were over. So Joe Louis served his country and didn’t get to defend his title for several years…. In fact his reign could be considered more impressive because he probably would have made 40 title defenses instead of 25 consecutive which still have never been broken.
Now let’s look at his competition. Joe Louis faced 7 Hall Of Famerss: Max Schmeling, Max Baer, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott , Rocky Marciano and Jimmy Bivins. He also fought Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Lou Nova and Arturo Godoy. The last 4 were decent, tough pugs... far from bums. The first 7 are HOF fighters. I find it ironic that Joe Louis’s reign and competition was called the Bum of the Month tour but Jack Dempsey’s title reign had no demeaning nicknames and he defended his title 5 times in 7 years. Tell me who were the best 3 fighters Dempsey faced. See how this goes…..
Because we didn’t live in those times, historians can be cruel. But I don’t take anything for face value. I research, study and cross reference everything. Joe Louis didn’t face the competition Muhammad Ali or Evander Holyfield faced but he faced decent guys. He cleared out an entire era and more importantly he didn’t duck anyone unlike aforementioned Dempsey. By the way I am a fan of Dempsey’s.
I bring him up to show an accurate analogy. Louis’s reign started just 11 years after Dempsey’s was over… Since Wlad has been receiving criticism for some reason people pick out Joe Louis’s reign. You guys need to stop. Name me the HOF fighters Wlad has beaten. Give Wlad the eyeball test and you will see a large man, who is extremely powerful, yet he fights as tepid as an elderly, frail skeleton. Louis is nothing like Wlad my friend. Louis was a quiet assassin, Wlad is just quiet.

Oh and for those who say that Louis “almost” lost to a Billy Conn, a light heavyweight, or if his fight with Conn would have been 12 rounds he would’ve lost are just simple minded. Louis had the same physical dimensions over Conn that Wlad has over most of his opponents and none are as good as Conn. Louis was losing on the cards, it's true but he knocked Conn out conclusively and then did the same thing in a rematch. If it would have been a 12 round fight he would have attacked him earlier. Back to Dempsey, he was out boxed by a light heavyweight in Gene Tunney see how this goes.... A fight back then was 15 rounds….. That’s a long time to be in the ring with a killer like Joe Louis.

Now let’s talk about long reigns. Because the best fighter Wlad has beaten has been Tony Thompson, we don’t even need to talk about him. Champions like Larry Holmes, Orlando Canizales, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe, and Bob Foster. Those modern reigns were some of the more notable lengthy reigns and Louis' competition were either equal to or better than all of them, yet Louis' reign gets called the Bum of the Month tour.
Name me the three best fighters each of them beat in their reigns and compare to the so-called Bum of the Month club. Get back with me after you come up with an answer and stop disrespecting Joe Louis Barrow. He was 10 times the fighter Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko are.

[SUBZER0ED]

He beat the #1 challenger in every aspect of the game and dropped him 4 times en route to a total annihilation to his mandatory.
When Hopkins holds, hits in the hip while holding, head butts, fakes injury, etc. it's brilliance from an old genius. When Wladimir does it, it's 'sucking'. Why do you show up in any and all Klitschko threads anyways?

Hmmm, I wonder?

Dude, you need to watch that "fight" again! Klitschko grabbed and held Povetkin the entire fight. Most of the knockdowns were actually push downs after a punch. Povetkin came to fight, Klitschko with his weak chin recognized this, and mauled him all night. And through it all, he was only penalized one point. Iv'e never seen such a horrible tactic so blatently used by a champion! In every fight where the opponent actually got inside and tried to throw punches, Wladmir Klitschko grabbed and held. You, Fitz and others can praise him as an ATG, but to me, he's an oversized, glass-jawed b1tch who got lucky in finding Emanuel Steward to hone his skills. Otherwise, he would have been a flash in the pan.

[Ravens Fan]

Hugging and clinching counts as 'abused'?

Stop sucking his **** man. He ****** against Povetkin.

The way Wlad choose to fight against Povetkin might have ******. But, he still beat him and did it rather easily.

[Nomadic]

It's not his fault his competition sucks.

[LacedUp]

The way Wlad choose to fight against Povetkin might have ******. But, he still beat him and did it rather easily.

It was pathetic.

[Brassangel]

guess this guy forgot he should have been dq´d in the fight before this. oh how beating a bum changes things.

No he shouldn't have.

Dude, you need to watch that "fight" again! Klitschko grabbed and held Povetkin the entire fight. Most of the knockdowns were actually push downs after a punch. Povetkin came to fight, Klitschko with his weak chin recognized this, and mauled him all night. And through it all, he was only penalized one point. Iv'e never seen such a horrible tactic so blatently used by a champion! In every fight where the opponent actually got inside and tried to throw punches, Wladmir Klitschko grabbed and held. You, Fitz and others can praise him as an ATG, but to me, he's an oversized, glass-jawed b1tch who got lucky in finding Emanuel Steward to hone his skills. Otherwise, he would have been a flash in the pan.

So when Ali hugs and holds guys heads (illegally), rabbit punches them, and chases them after a knockdown instead of going to a neutral corner, it's not worthy of a DQ? Ali got away with every dirty tactic because he was Ali.

When Ali decided to lay on the ropes and hug Foreman until he got tired, people called him brilliant. When Tyson's opponents hugged him after every punch to keep his arms quiet, they called it "frustrating Tyson." When Wlad uses a junky strategy to take the fight away from a guy, people say he ****** and needed to be DQ'd?

You guys have no idea what you are talking about.

Wlad is one of the best of all-time. He's dominating like great champions do. In a head-to-head match against the game's greats, there aren't many who would even lay a glove on him. Lewis retired instead of fighting him, that's for sure.

[Weltschmerz]

Hugging and clinching counts as 'abused'?

Stop sucking his **** man. He ****** against Povetkin.

davey haye ****** against Wladimir.