Comments Thread For: Don King Livid With Cancelation of Jones-Lebedev Clash

[Foreign Soil]

I'm glad that the question was asked. Why would Ryabinsky cancel the fight when he himself spent his own money promoting it and lost money by canceling it? He had to have had a good reason to do so.

Add to that Jones has a history of drug cheating, and King has a history of being shady and you get a pretty good sense of who is at fault here.

Yeah, he lost money and was too scared about Lebedev losing even though the first fight was close, so they just decided to pay off Switzerland, losing more money and tainting Jones' test, again, just like they did the first time, and still Lebedev doesn't get Super champ status and Jones likely remains champ seeing as WBA/Panama has kept the belt on him for years. Makes perfect sense...

[King_]

There is some disgusting posts in this thread. Ew. The worst part is it's not even troll posts, these guys are dead serious.

[Hitman932]

That's why he wasn't banned by the WBA, the first test gave them reasonable doubt.

Now Jones tests positive for the same thing again from a neutral lab in Switzerland in 2 days.... yea, nope

Yes some neutral lab that is apparently so ****ty at drug testing that they don't collect B-samples.

That's not su****ious that trained professionals, involved in a million dollar deal, would ignore the most basic tenants of their jobs?

I wonder if they forgot to tie their shoelaces in the morning as well.

Furthermore the testing may have been carried out by the Swiss lab - but who dictated the unauthorized timing of the test? That could very well have been the decision of the Russian federation - which is also Lebedev's promoter by default.

[BattlingNelson]

I'm not saying Jones is innocent but a lot of people are quick to determine his guilt in spite of a bunch of su****ious circumstances. It's at least worth taking a look at the facts before making up your mind.

Things to consider:

1) The results of the 1st positive test took over 11 weeks to officially be announced. 11 weeks. This is for the same substance that this time he was allegedly tested for on Wednesday and found positive for on Friday this time around.

So the original testing took nearly 80 days for the same results we got in 3 days the 2nd time around. Can someone explain that please?

Assuming you are correct on the timetable, then maybe the rush the second time around was because it was a prefight test. There was no such rush or need for urgency the second time around.

2) If the WBA had trusted the integrity of the 1st positive and the Russian lab the win would have been overturned and changed to an NC and Jones wouldn't have been fighting for the title.

The fact that the result stands to this day and Jones was to return to fight for the title is as good as an admission from the WBA that the testing the 1st time around was highly questionable.

Strong words.

I'd say that at least there was enough doubt to validate a return.

3) As has been stated there is a clear conflict of interest with Ryabinsky holding one of the highest administrative positions in Russian boxing while also serving as a Promoter. He has way too much control over **** he should have no involvement in.

Your opinion. Not disagreeing though.

4) The lab that delivered the 1st questionable result in the same lab that Wladimir Klitschko outright refused to allow control of testing for his fight with Alexander Povetkin because of the reputation for half baked cheating by the Russians.

Very interesting if true.

5) People are asking what did Ryabinsky have to gain by cancelling? What did Jones have to gain by cheating again? Clearly he was capable of getting to the weight based on his physique and ultimately he is the one who trained and flew halfway around the world for nothing.

Since this allegedly was his third time cheating with the same substance, he clearly could have something to gain. The drug is, AFAIK, not only for weight loss, but also a maskine agent.

Maybe he few halfway around the World and fuldt expected that the drug had left his body before the WBA arrived in Moscow to supervise the sampling.

6) How can the Russians test Jones without the WBA present - an unauthorized test by any definition - considering the circumstances surrounding the 1st test? Everyone should have been hyper vigilant and observing the strict letter of the law in every aspect of testing. Instead the Russians rushed in to deliver a test that ultimately had no integrity.

Yeah that's odd. But why in the first place agree on a procedure when the participants is aware of when they are not going to be tested? That's useless!

7) How can a fighter be drug tested and there not be a B-sample? This is drug testing 101 and any testing lab that doesn't collect a B-sample probably shouldn't even be in business. This is highly su****ious.

The Russians basically came in, tested Jones, found him dirty - then said "well there is no way for you to independently test the results.... sorry!"

This is blatantly dishonest and su****ious.

Yep. I dont think there isn't a B-sample though. That would be so ******.

Then again why would Jones let himself be tested without WBA supervision? Why would Jones allow there not being made a B-sample?

That's questions for King to answer. They themselves look like amateurs.

[Hitman932]

Since this allegedly was his third time cheating with the same substance, he clearly could have something to gain. The drug is, AFAIK, not only for weight loss, but also a maskine agent.

Maybe he few halfway around the World and fuldt expected that the drug had left his body before the WBA arrived in Moscow to supervise the sampling.

Yeah that's odd. But why in the first place agree on a procedure when the participants is aware of when they are not going to be tested? That's useless!

Yep. I dont think there isn't a B-sample though. That would be so ******.

Then again why would Jones let himself be tested without WBA supervision? Why would Jones allow there not being made a B-sample?

That's questions for King to answer. They themselves look like amateurs.

Again - I am not saying I think Jones is innocent. In fact I agree that it is most likely he is guilty. I am simply playing devil's advocate and pointing out this isn't as cut and dry as it appears on the surface.

While the drug can be used as a masking agent there is really nothing enhanced about Jones - I find it very hard to believe it was used for anything other than cutting water weight if used at all.

I agree it's useless to have procedures where guys know they are going to be tested but that's also the status quo. That's a completely different discussion that I don't think takes away from my original point.

A lot of this will hinge on the B-sample story from King. If it's true it casts a lot of doubt - if it's a lie it leaves him without much of a leg to stand on.

I think one other thing to consider - if you are Ryabinsky - and trying to pull one over for some crazy reason - you know that King and Jones for obvious reasons will be guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of fans. Ultimately the reason people are quick to jump to judgement here is because of how it LOOKS without really looking at all the facts.

[Foreign Soil]

The B sample story is a lie. There is a B sample, they just didn't give it to King - why would a neutral lab give the B sample to the fighter's promoter? The neutral lab will test the B sample if Jones gives a written protest. It was said there was a B sample the day the fight was canceled.

[Fr3$h]

It's ridiculous that Don King is even still around boxing. He literally robbed some of the most famous boxers of all time naked and homeless and their fans still watch stuff he promotes. You guys who gossip about Arum and Oscar etc don't know how good you have it.

[bojangles1987]

I'm glad a fighter actually pulled out of one of these fights. I know training camp is too hard and the money too difficult to make for these guys to pull out of fights, but sometimes you have to. It's not worth it to Lebedev to risk another fight like the first one when his opponent pops dirty again.

[BattlingNelson]

Again - I am not saying I think Jones is innocent. In fact I agree that it is most likely he is guilty. I am simply playing devil's advocate and pointing out this isn't as cut and dry as it appears on the surface.

While the drug can be used as a masking agent there is really nothing enhanced about Jones - I find it very hard to believe it was used for anything other than cutting water weight if used at all.

I agree it's useless to have procedures where guys know they are going to be tested but that's also the status quo. That's a completely different discussion that I don't think takes away from my original point.

A lot of this will hinge on the B-sample story from King. If it's true it casts a lot of doubt - if it's a lie it leaves him without much of a leg to stand on.
I think one other thing to consider - if you are Ryabinsky - and trying to pull one over for some crazy reason - you know that King and Jones for obvious reasons will be guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of fans. Ultimately the reason people are quick to jump to judgement here is because of how it LOOKS without really looking at all the facts.

According to the WBA, Jones has to May 5 to protest the result and have the B sample tested. In other words a B sample exists, and King is left stumbling.

[realheavyhands]

Russia, are known racists. Guillermo Jones is a problem because he's too damn good.