Why did Lampley and Foreman fall out?

[Mitchell Kane]

That's the very point that some posters are making. When Hamed referenced religion he was derided and attacked for it. Because it was Islam, it was felt by viewers such as yourself and Jim Lampley as being an obnoxious and unwanted presence that was being rubbed in your faces.

Contrast that with Holyfield referencing biblical scriptures by emblazoning them on his shorts and entering the ring singing to blaring gospel music. Not only was he not derided for it but his actions were lauded. It was seen as a wholesome religion from which a decent God fearing man gained strength.

The ****ed up thing about that is, in no way shape or form could Hamed ever be termed as a religious fundamentalist. A position from which extremist and bigoted views tend to emanate. Holyfield on the other hand is a Christian fundamentalist and holds and expresses extremist and bigoted views as part of his religious worldview.

I do seem to remember there being some comments during the first Lewis-Holyfield fight after Holyfield's "God"-inspired prediction of a 3rd round didn't come to pass.

Lewis, for his part, said before the fight "I'm not questioning Holyfield's faith but he breaks a commandment every other day".

Still, that whole "B-A-R-R-E-R-A-" was just so over-the-top and unnecessary from Lampley...but that's what you get from him.

[- Ram Raid -]

No he wasn't. One man (Lampley) making a razor sharp comment at the end of Hamed's pummeling at the hands of Barrera is not being "derided and attacked". Hamed said he'd win because of his 'god'. He lost. And Lampley had every right to bring it up in the humorous way that he did.

It was a derisive attack and the tone in which he spouted it wasn't done in a humorous way at all. So much so that his co-commentator felt the need to pull him on it.

Bring religion into sport, expect someone to bring it up eventually. Especially if you believe you're going to win because of your silly 'god'.

I don't disagree with your sentiment but boxers pull that out all the time and sportscasters rarely feel the need to challenge them on it particularly in such an emotionally venomous tone.

It absolutely was obnoxious but how do you know that's what Lampley thought it was? And I say the same thing about irritating Christian athletes who rub their worthless beliefs in people's faces.

I think that's self evident, we've both listened to his remarks. The point that you seem to be making it that you'd offensively deride a persons faith as being irritating and obnoxious in equal measure irrespective of the form that their faith takes, therefore Lampley's comments have nothing do with anti Islamic sentiment and are in no way representative of the Islamaphobia that pervades Western discourse on religion. All silly little religions are mocked in equal measure is effectively what you're saying and that, of course, is obviously not the case.

He was lauded for it? Really? Back that up with evidence. In fact, this notorious interview with Holyfield after he beat Tyson the first time is a source of great entertainment. Holyfield is laughed at & mocked because of how dumb he sounds. He sounds dumb because of his religious ramblings.

I don't have the inclination to trawl through the countless hours of fight footage to find the numerous instances where Holyfield's faith is commented on in a positive light. What I will do rather is comment on the interview that you yourself have posted because it demonstrates how untenable your position is.

Firstly this interview didn't acquire any kind of notoriety. That certainly wouldn't have been the case if Holyfield was saying the same things about Islam. Far from being laughed at and mocked the majority of the Youtube comments for the footage that you have chosen are lauding Evander's Christian beliefs. Evander saw his bout with Tyson in religious terms as Christian Vs ******. His post fight comments demonstrate that he felt his beliefs had been vindicated: 'My God is the only true God'.. His rant was based on his religious bigotry.

Ferdie Pacheco saw no need to challenge him on it in the same kind of emotionally laden way that Lampley challenged Naz. When it's a Christian affirming his beliefs it's generally tolerated or mildly dismissed at worst. Let's not forget that Ali made the same kind of statement in Miami in '64 and fast became the most hated man in the history of American sports.

How on earth do you know Hamed isn't a fundamentalist?

I've listened to him touch on his faith on numerous occasions. I've never heard him spout the kind of fundamentalist dogma that Holyfield has. Nor does he associate with religious fundamentalists.

[The Tase]

I don't disagree with your sentiment but boxers pull that out all the time and sportscasters rarely feel the need to challenge them on it particularly in such an emotionally venomous tone.

lol at boxers put their religion out all the time.

SURE, AFTER THE FIGHT THANKING HIM FOR KEEPING HIM SAFE AND WINNING NOT BEFORE THE FIGHT USING IT AS SOME RIDICULOUS RING ENTRANCE PLATFORM BEING BRASH AND BRATTY ABOUT IT LIKE HAMED DID!!!

there is a difference.

and there was nothing venomous about his tone lmfaaaoo ******s find harmless satire about their religion venomous.

its pathetic and its gives great shame to ******s everywhere. funny thing is, they dont feel any shame in it whatsoever and they actually feel justified that they act like uncivilized raging maniacs who lose their collective **** whenever someone does a joke about islam.

[- Ram Raid -]

I do seem to remember there being some comments during the first Lewis-Holyfield fight after Holyfield's "God"-inspired prediction of a 3rd round didn't come to pass.

Lewis, for his part, said before the fight "I'm not questioning Holyfield's faith but he breaks a commandment every other day".

Still, that whole "B-A-R-R-E-R-A-" was just so over-the-top and unnecessary from Lampley...but that's what you get from him.

There was. I've just re-watched it and he wasn't really derisory about it. If anything he plays along with it as a commentary ploy to excite the audience.

Nice quote from Lennox. As is usual with these things I've become drawn into re-watching the fight. I'm surprised how much Lewis negates his own height advantage by stooping down to Holyfield's level. I'd didn't have any recollection of that.

[- Ram Raid -]

lol at boxers put their religion out all the time.

SURE, AFTER THE FIGHT THANKING HIM FOR KEEPING HIM SAFE AND WINNING NOT BEFORE THE FIGHT USING IT AS SOME RIDICULOUS RING ENTRANCE PLATFORM BEING BRASH AND BRATTY ABOUT IT LIKE HAMED DID!!!

there is a difference.

and there was nothing venomous about his tone lmfaaaoo ******s find harmless satire about their religion venomous.

its pathetic and its gives great shame to ******s everywhere. funny thing is, they dont feel any shame in it whatsoever and they actually feel justified that they act like uncivilized raging maniacs who lose their collective **** whenever someone does a joke about islam.

Come on. Irrespective on what you assume my stance to be on Islam (I'm an atheistic by the way) we both know that boxers pull their religion out before during and after bouts.

His tone was venomous.

I do agree that to Westerner's like ourselves some ****** reactions to religious satire seems extreme. But, the mocking of divinity is part of the European tradition dating back to ancient Greeks ridiculing the Gods of Olympus. ******s don't have that background, it would be unimaginable in Islamic culture. Plus, their reactions are in large part to the entire imperialist attitude rather than isolated incidents.

I'm not defending Islam wholesale. It's often brutal, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, vulgar and erupts into murderous violence. I'm just stating that Lampley's comments tapped into and expressed the prevalent Islamaphobia that pervades Western culture.

[takingaim]

It was a derisive attack and the tone in which he spouted it wasn't done in a humorous way at all. So much so that his co-commentator felt the need to pull him on it.

His adrenaline was pumping. It was razor sharp & beautifully executed... THE LAST 12 ROUNDS WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALLAAAAH KNOWS HOW TO SPELL BARRERAAAHH... B A R R E R A...

I don't disagree with your sentiment but boxers pull that out all the time and sportscasters rarely feel the need to challenge them on it particularly in such an emotionally venomous tone.

Look, this was one single remark after a great fight, which just before the bell included Hamed staring into the camera, rubbing his religion into people's faces. I think I'm also correct in saying that Hamed was favourite going into that fight. It was a massive deal when he lost, and because of Hamed's arrogance, a lot of people were happy, maybe Lampley included. Hamed claimed he would win because it was the will of 'god'. HE said that. Lampley turned it around on him. Hamed opened himself up to those kinds of comments.

I think that's self evident, we've both listened to his remarks.

No no, answer the question - how do you know Lampley was thinking Hamed's religious ramblings were obnoxious? Just because Lampley said what he said, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's against religion being brought into the ring, it's just that he made a real witty comment in response to Hamed doing just that (bringing his religion into the ring with him).

The point that you seem to be making it that you'd offensively deride a persons faith as being irritating and obnoxious in equal measure irrespective of the form that their faith takes, therefore Lampley's comments have nothing do with anti Islamic sentiment and are in no way representative of the Islamaphobia that pervades Western discourse on religion. All silly little religions are mocked in equal measure is effectively what you're saying and that, of course, is obviously not the case.

Lampley's comments were not anti-Islamic. Lampley, although making a razor sharp, witty comment, actually made a very good point - Hamed said he's win because it was the will of 'god'... but he lost. So what does that mean? That 'god' was on Barrera's side? This is actually really good point. I'm of the opinion though that 'god' is not on anyone's side & that if there is a 'god', I think he really doesn't give a **** about two men punching each other in the face... especially considering there's millions of starving children around the world, and their situation doesn't get much better as the years pass.

And Lampley made those comments during the Hamed vs Barrera fight which took place in 2001, BEFORE 9/11. If you went up to most Westerners and asked them about Islam, they couldn't tell you a thing about it. So this was before any anti-Islam sentiment in the West. And there's no such thing as 'Islamophobia'. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. There's nothing irrational about fearing Islam (or any other religion for that matter). It's a very healthy fear to have, if you're a non-******, ****sexual, apostate, atheist, woman etc etc.

I agree, all religions are not mocked equally. Christianity is mocked far more than Islam is in the West.

I don't have the inclination to trawl through the countless hours of fight footage to find the numerous instances where Holyfield's faith is commented on in a positive light. What I will do rather is comment on the interview that you yourself have posted because it demonstrates how untenable your position is.

Right, so in other words, you made a bull**** statement, I called you out on it, and it's been exposed for the bull**** that I knew it was. When was Holyfield's religious ramblings "lauded"? Answer: never.

Firstly this interview didn't acquire any kind of notoriety.

Yes it did, since youtube came about. That video has nearly 1 million views, and the comments section is full of people mocking him. But of course if it was a video of a ****** fighter rambling about how much he loves Muhammad, with the video getting nearly 1 million views and loads of mocking comments, you'd say 'LOOK! ISLAMOPHOBIA!'.

That certainly wouldn't have been the case if Holyfield was saying the same things about Islam. Far from being laughed at and mocked the majority of the Youtube comments for the footage that you have chosen are lauding Evander's Christian beliefs.

You didn't read many of the comments. This is what the majority are like...

The best interview ever! When Gawd involved and Jesus alive...spirits, holy ghost. ***** god damn!***65279;

The concept of thanking God for beating another man senseless in a prize fight alludes me...***65279;

this is what happens when you start believing in fairys***65279;

What a ****** , god , god , god , thats the only thing he talks about .***65279;

Yeah Evander, because God really gives a **** about your ****ty boxing match.. I mean it's not like there is immense suffering and injustice going on in the world every day. Talk about ****ed up.

Yup, that's the mind of a religious person.

Because he rambles on and on about a non-existant god.

God is god and how god told me to and god said lo I am the god for only god is the one and only true god which fills me with the true spirit of god.

$500 says he can't do and interview without saying God

God is a flying spaghetti monster. Your argument is invalid.

Evander saw his bout with Tyson in religious terms as Christian Vs ******. His post fight comments demonstrate that he felt his beliefs had been vindicated: 'My God is the only true God'.. His rant was based on his religious bigotry.

LOL ******s say that **** all the time. What do you think 'la ilaha illa Allah' means? Did you even hear what Hamed said before the Barrera fight? He said 'Allah you are the only god'. No different from what Holyfield said. The entire religion of Islam is based on the idea that 'allah' is the only true 'god' and that those who believe in him & accept Muhammad as the final prophet will go to heaven, whilst everyone else will burn in hell. Christianity is the same too (in regards to Christians going to heaven, whilst everyone else goes to hell). Religion IS bigotry. It creates an 'us vs them' mindset.

Ferdie Pacheco saw no need to challenge him on it in the same kind of emotionally laden way that Lampley challenged Naz.

Oh man you're such a disingenuous turd. 1 minute into the video, the interviewer says quite clearly that he hopes god is here for ALL OF US, then says 'let's get off that, let's get onto boxing'. And Lampley didn't "challenge" Hamed on anything. It was a comment made during the commentary, not during an interview. That's not a 'challenge'.

When it's a Christian affirming his beliefs it's generally tolerated or mildly dismissed at worst. Let's not forget that Ali made the same kind of statement in Miami in '64 and fast became the most hated man in the history of American sports.

Was Ali hated for his religious beliefs?

I've listened to him touch on his faith on numerous occasions. I've never heard him spout the kind of fundamentalist dogma that Holyfield has. Nor does he associate with religious fundamentalists.

Well he's not going to come right out and say **** like that, is he?

And how the HELL do you know who he associates with?!?!?!

Hamed said he'd win because it was god's will. That's Islamic supremacy. Pretty damn 'fundamentalist'.

[The Tase]

Come on. Irrespective on what you assume my stance to be on Islam (I'm an atheistic by the way) we both know that boxers pull their religion out before during and after bouts.

His tone was venomous.

I do agree that to Westerner's like ourselves some ****** reactions to religious satire seems extreme. But, the mocking of divinity is part of the European tradition dating back to ancient Greeks ridiculing the Gods of Olympus. ******s don't have that background, it would be unimaginable in Islamic culture. Plus, their reactions are in large part to the entire imperialist attitude rather than isolated incidents.

I'm not defending Islam wholesale. It's often brutal, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, vulgar and erupts into murderous violence. I'm just stating that Lampley's comments tapped into and expressed the prevalent Islamaphobia that pervades Western culture.

dude,

the reason why ******s are so sensitive about religious satire is because they havent GROWN THE **** UP about religion due to the fact that islam compared to the other religions like christianity are still relatively young. Islam came after christianity and they havent evolved that religion.

Where islam is right now is where christianity was during the inquisition. Hateful, war mongering, sensitive to any talk challenging the religion.

They havent evolved to where christians are that if insulted by some comedian or comedy show they understand its satire and they dont ask for heads to roll. LITERALLY. That's what passage of time through evolution and development do.

Just look at all these ****** nations, the only ones that have made any progress are the ones that have oil. the rest are poor third world countries still stuck in the stone ages. & the ones who have oil dont even let their women drive. There's a reason for that.

Christianity doesnt have greek god backgrounds. You dont see baptists and catholics killing each other. The most these christians orgs do if they are insulted by a comedian like maher is protest peacefully or ask for firings via litigation. They dont bumrush embassies because southpark made a jesus skit.

[- Ram Raid -]

His adrenaline was pumping. It was razor sharp & beautifully executed... THE LAST 12 ROUNDS WOULD SUGGEST THAT ALLAAAAH KNOWS HOW TO SPELL BARRERAAAHH... B A R R E R A...



Look, this was one single remark after a great fight, which just before the bell included Hamed staring into the camera, rubbing his religion into people's faces. I think I'm also correct in saying that Hamed was favourite going into that fight. It was a massive deal when he lost, and because of Hamed's arrogance, a lot of people were happy, maybe Lampley included. Hamed claimed he would win because it was the will of 'god'. HE said that. Lampley turned it around on him. Hamed opened himself up to those kinds of comments.



No no, answer the question - how do you know Lampley was thinking Hamed's religious ramblings were obnoxious? Just because Lampley said what he said, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's against religion being brought into the ring, it's just that he made a real witty comment in response to Hamed doing just that (bringing his religion into the ring with him).



Lampley's comments were not anti-Islamic. Lampley, although making a razor sharp, witty comment, actually made a very good point - Hamed said he's win because it was the will of 'god'... but he lost. So what does that mean? That 'god' was on Barrera's side? This is actually really good point. I'm of the opinion though that 'god' is not on anyone's side & that if there is a 'god', I think he really doesn't give a **** about two men punching each other in the face... especially considering there's millions of starving children around the world, and their situation doesn't get much better as the years pass.

And Lampley made those comments during the Hamed vs Barrera fight which took place in 2001, BEFORE 9/11. If you went up to most Westerners and asked them about Islam, they couldn't tell you a thing about it. So this was before any anti-Islam sentiment in the West. And there's no such thing as 'Islamophobia'. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. There's nothing irrational about fearing Islam (or any other religion for that matter). It's a very healthy fear to have, if you're a non-******, ****sexual, apostate, atheist, woman etc etc.

I agree, all religions are not mocked equally. Christianity is mocked far more than Islam is in the West.



Right, so in other words, you made a bull**** statement, I called you out on it, and it's been exposed for the bull**** that I knew it was. When was Holyfield's religious ramblings "lauded"? Answer: never.



Yes it did, since youtube came about. That video has nearly 1 million views, and the comments section is full of people mocking him. But of course if it was a video of a ****** fighter rambling about how much he loves Muhammad, with the video getting nearly 1 million views and loads of mocking comments, you'd say 'LOOK! ISLAMOPHOBIA!'.



You didn't read many of the comments. This is what the majority are like...

The best interview ever! When Gawd involved and Jesus alive...spirits, holy ghost. ***** god damn!***65279;

The concept of thanking God for beating another man senseless in a prize fight alludes me...***65279;

this is what happens when you start believing in fairys***65279;

What a ****** , god , god , god , thats the only thing he talks about .***65279;

Yeah Evander, because God really gives a **** about your ****ty boxing match.. I mean it's not like there is immense suffering and injustice going on in the world every day. Talk about ****ed up.

Yup, that's the mind of a religious person.

Because he rambles on and on about a non-existant god.

God is god and how god told me to and god said lo I am the god for only god is the one and only true god which fills me with the true spirit of god.

$500 says he can't do and interview without saying God

God is a flying spaghetti monster. Your argument is invalid.



LOL ******s say that **** all the time. What do you think 'la ilaha illa Allah' means? Did you even hear what Hamed said before the Barrera fight? He said 'Allah you are the only god'. No different from what Holyfield said. The entire religion of Islam is based on the idea that 'allah' is the only true 'god' and that those who believe in him & accept Muhammad as the final prophet will go to heaven, whilst everyone else will burn in hell. Christianity is the same too (in regards to Christians going to heaven, whilst everyone else goes to hell). Religion IS bigotry. It creates an 'us vs them' mindset.



Oh man you're such a disingenuous turd. 1 minute into the video, the interviewer says quite clearly that he hopes god is here for ALL OF US, then says 'let's get off that, let's get onto boxing'. And Lampley didn't "challenge" Hamed on anything. It was a comment made during the commentary, not during an interview. That's not a 'challenge'.



Was Ali hated for his religious beliefs?



Well he's not going to come right out and say **** like that, is he?

And how the HELL do you know who he associates with?!?!?!

Hamed said he'd win because it was god's will. That's Islamic supremacy. Pretty damn 'fundamentalist'.

Haha. If your gonna go all Ad Hominem then I'll return the favour.

Either you're flat out trolling, which I not only suspect but I hope that you are. . .or. . .your ability to comprehend what has already been written and then structure a logical counter argument has been impaired, maybe through the smoking of high end PCP, or too much ************, or ingesting your own faeces, or maybe it was non-existent in the first place. I don't know which, I'm not your district nurse.

Either way, your long winded psycho-babble is so shot-to-**** with fallacy, illogical statements and inane questioning that it doesn't warrant a response. Now I know that I may of encouraged you, I thought we were going to engage in an adult conversation so I chucked you a cookie to chew on. When, like a mangy chimp in it's drab enclosure, you took that cookie and ******** it up your own arse like a biscuit suppository, I realised that I'd made a mistake. Clearly, you don't get out of your basement room much. You've not been socialised. You're lacking the prerequisite skills to function on a human-to-human basis. But that's alright, 'cause I'm gonna leave you to do your thing.

Now I envision you sat there grinning with your own **** smeared across your face waiting anxiously with pride to show your Mum that you've done yourself another doody. That you're a big boy now. And as I'm backing away from the stench of your pitiful argument you're gonna cry to your Momma, who's languid titty you still suckle on, "Mooma - I done won an argument! He gone left der room!". And she's going to smile knowingly, like all good mothers should, and I'll give her a little wink as I leave your fetid spot and you go back to clowning with your own scat.

[- Ram Raid -]

dude,

the reason why ******s are so sensitive about religious satire is because they havent GROWN THE **** UP about religion due to the fact that islam compared to the other religions like christianity are still relatively young. Islam came after christianity and they havent evolved that religion.

Where islam is right now is where christianity was during the inquisition. Hateful, war mongering, sensitive to any talk challenging the religion.

They havent evolved to where christians are that if insulted by some comedian or comedy show they understand its satire and they dont ask for heads to roll. LITERALLY. That's what passage of time through evolution and development do.

Just look at all these ****** nations, the only ones that have made any progress are the ones that have oil. the rest are poor third world countries still stuck in the stone ages. & the ones who have oil dont even let their women drive. There's a reason for that.

Christianity doesnt have greek god backgrounds. You dont see baptists and catholics killing each other. The most these christians orgs do if they are insulted by a comedian like maher is protest peacefully or ask for firings via litigation. They dont bumrush embassies because southpark made a jesus skit.

Clearly, theology isn't your strong point. But please, feel free to enlighten. . .

[Croyd]

Did anyone see Lampley crying in the Tribute to Gatti vs Ward special on HBO?
Such a phony.