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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: Fighting Words - Hopkins-Shumenov: Mismatch Master Class

    by David P. Greisman - When Bernard Hopkins was sentenced to hard time behind bars, Beibut Shumenov had not yet even been born. For the entirety of the 30 and a half years that Shumenov has been on this earth, Hopkins has either been incarcerated or in the ring.

    Hopkins went from prison to professional prizefighting more than 25 years ago. He’s 49 years old now, at least a decade beyond the age at which boxers are typically resigned to retiring or consigned to fighting in crossroads bouts for short money against younger opponents whose reflexes are fresher and whose futures are brighter.

    Hopkins vs. Shumenov was a unification bout between two world titleholders in the light heavyweight division. But to phrase it like that is to imply that there was some comparison in terms of accomplishment, capability and experience. There was no comparison. This was no even fight. This wasn’t a crossroads bout. This was a mismatch in favor of Hopkins, who put on another master class against an opponent who was often made to look as if he had no clue and no chance.

    Forget what the record book says in describing the win as a split decision. The fact that one judge somehow had Shumenov slightly ahead after 12 rounds says far more about the judge than it does about the fight. The other two judges rightly had Hopkins the victor, scoring the bout 116-111, eight rounds to four with an additional point taken from Shumenov for the knockdown he suffered in the 11th round. Even that score makes it seem as if Shumenov had more success than he did. [Click Here To Read More]
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    Nice performance by BHop.

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    • firstborn
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      Anyone else impressed with the fact Shumenov made it this far training himiself? He clearly lost to Hopkins but has nothing to be ashamed of IMO.

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      • jaded
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        Originally posted by firstborn
        Anyone else impressed with the fact Shumenov made it this far training himiself? He clearly lost to Hopkins but has nothing to be ashamed of IMO.
        But that just highlights how unprofessional he is. Not having a corner-man is crazy at any level. If you get hit and stunned you may not be able to think but you can still hear your corner man telling you what to do and follow instructions. That alone can save your ass from being KO'd. To go into a fight with that disadvantage is just plan dumb. IDK...maybe he just doesn't want to share his purse with anyone...but he has so much more potential than what he showed. For one...he opens his mouth wide and screams when he punches instead of clenching his jaw leaving him very vulnerable to getting his jaw broken. Hopkins hit him with a good shot in the later rounds that landed below his eye just as he opened his mouth super wide. I thought man...if that landed on his jaw the fight would have been over.

        Shumenov is a diamond in the rough. He is very tough and a devastating puncher. But he has no strategy or skills that a good trainer could have given him. He allowed the 49 year old Hopkins to fight completely within a more than comfortable pace instead of taking advantage of his age and pressing the pace that would have worn him down. I'm sure that's what Adonis Stevenson will try to do to him. That's what the plan has to be against a guy with skills and craftiness like Hopkins has as any age. He was made for Hopkins.
        Last edited by jaded; 04-21-2014, 04:19 AM.

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          Originally posted by Dat
          Nice performance by BHop.
          **** that, Bernard Hopkins is a legend unlike this sport has ever seen. 49 year old men don't beat world level fighter, ever, in history. Hopkins is one for the ages, folks. Be glad you're here so you can tell the story to your grandkids.

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          • Dat
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            Originally posted by KJB
            **** that, Bernard Hopkins is a legend unlike this sport has ever seen. 49 year old men don't beat world level fighter, ever, in history. Hopkins is one for the ages, folks. Be glad you're here so you can tell the story to your grandkids.
            Oh yes indeed. It will take a long time before someone breaks that record.

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              This fight showed us that BHop still has the skills and reflexes to beat a young, inexperienced fighter with underdeveloped skills. He'll never be able to do that to Kronk Gym-trained Stevenson.

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                am I the only person who remembers BHop losing to Dawson? That was a true world class fighter and BHop had nothing on him. While it's impressive that BHop is winning, let's not forget he can not beat the top guys anymore.

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                  Originally posted by jaded

                  Shumenov is a diamond in the rough. He is very tough and a devastating puncher.
                  What do you base that on? Since he was criminally handed Campillo's title belt in January 2000, his only KOs have come against a shot 40-year-old middleweight fighting him on a few days notice (Joppy), a 38-year-old shot cream puff (Danny Santiago) and a Slovakian with a pretty record who hadn't fought anyone ranked in the top 100 (Kovacs). Any time he's fought anyone even remotely competitive/near their prime he's gone the distance. We'll see how tough he is if he ever fights Stevenson or Kovalev

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                  • jaded
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                    Originally posted by giacomino
                    What do you base that on? Since he was criminally handed Campillo's title belt in January 2000, his only KOs have come against a shot 40-year-old middleweight fighting him on a few days notice (Joppy), a 38-year-old shot cream puff (Danny Santiago) and a Slovakian with a pretty record who hadn't fought anyone ranked in the top 100 (Kovacs). Any time he's fought anyone even remotely competitive/near their prime he's gone the distance. We'll see how tough he is if he ever fights Stevenson or Kovalev
                    Kovacs was the undefeated WBO European light heavyweight Champion. He had never been knocked down before. Shumenov had not bean tested against a top level boxer before...true. I said he does not have the skills and lacks any training at all other than his own self trained methods. But I still see a guy who can punch and given the chance Hopkins could not take him out. Throughout his short amateur and pro career he has KO'd quite a few of his opponents...mostly early in the fights.

                    But don't get me wrong...I bet 100 billion points on Hopkins to win.
                    Last edited by jaded; 04-21-2014, 05:56 PM.

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