Comments Thread For: All Access: Mayweather Wants To Go Down As Best Ever

[ADP02]

Thats a funny question. So Floyd is to blame because hes never the under dog? Let me let you in on a little secret. If Mayweather and pac fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Mayweather Martinez fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Mayweather GGG fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Hopkins was dumb enough to drain himself to meet Mayweather, Mayweather would be favored. As a matter of fact plug in any name VS. Mayweather under 160 and Mayweather would be favored. I mean if you really think about it how many other fighters can make that same claim?

I would not have favored Floyd over Sergio Martinez but that was not my point. How about Andre Ward (see Marquez comparison below)?

Let's clarify it for you. Include all fights where Floyd is not favored to win by a comfortable margin. As I pointed out, relatively riskier fights.

Manny and Sergio Martinez were very risky fights for Floyd. He had the opportunity but didn't fight them. I can name others.

If Floyd goes up to 160, he would not be favored against the top fighters ..... but I'm sure that he would go for it if the right cherry were available for the pickings.


The guy was bringing up Marquez to validate Floyd's resume. That's like Floyd going up to fight Andre Ward and then trying to give high credit to Andre Ward for beating up Floyd just because he was #1 P4P and considers himself TBE!

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Those are just numbers but with no analysis on the opponent.
You said that Marquez was #2 P4P ...... REALLY?
What if Floyd, who is #1 P4P, and he said is TBE, moves up to face Andre Ward. How much credit can we give Ward for winning on UD?
ANSWER: "It was expected win" type of credit.


Show me how many fights that Floyd took that were risky and that he was the underdog? You will see that that list will shrink DRAMATICALLY! You are not showing us the truth instead what you are doing is trying to hide the truth with those misleading numbers (AKA Marquez #2 P4P example)

Thats a funny question. So Floyd is to blame because hes never the under dog? Let me let you in on a little secret. If Mayweather and pac fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Mayweather Martinez fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Mayweather GGG fight, Mayweather would be favored. If Hopkins was dumb enough to drain himself to meet Mayweather, Mayweather would be favored. As a matter of fact plug in any name VS. Mayweather under 160 and Mayweather would be favored. I mean if you really think about it how many other fighters can make that same claim?

[jcpryor]

He never fought Manny,Margarito,Williams or Cotto until way way later so I guess we'll never know..

He aged right along with them, didn't he? Or does Floyd age slower than regular humans?

[MurkaMan]

Rigondeaux is sharper and he is fighting today. Whats that mean for the rest of boxing history. Pernell was Sharper. Hopkins is smarter.

GTFO!!!LOL. Rigo got hurt by bums and he is NOT a complete fighter. He has no offense and can only fight on the outside, throwing only 300 punches against Nonito. Floyd is something WAAAY different and more multiimensional. He stood in the pocket with Canelo who was 165lbs, didnt get grazed once. Threw 500 punches. Bernard looks up to Floyd and will NEVER be the perfect fighter.

If Rigo and Bernard where Floyd size, they can change their entire fighting style for Floyd's opponent and not get hissed? Pernell could? He got tagged by all sorts of bums, with his flashy "bob & weave, showboat for the audience" defense. Floyd is all business. You better quit telling those lies about those GREAT fighters being anything like Floyd. Floyd is a once in a lifetime athlete.

[MurkaMan]

He was "hissed"(?) twice in one round by a 38-year-old Mosley.

Name a fighter in history that can fight that version of Shane, stand right in front of him and get hissed twice, and then dominate?

Their is no fighter as good as Floyd. He's the best and until you can name at least ONE fighter that is better than him, that can fight HALF of his resume and do it the way he did, then I just have to give props. Im not going out of my way to hate on him or talk around his gifts. He is a LEGENDARY talent.

[ADP02]

So wait......Tszyu is a Hall of Fame fighter and Cotto will be.....but Castillo and Corrales aren't??? Seriously check the resumes.

Genaro Hernandez (#1 130)
Angel Manfredy (#2 130)
Diego Corrales (#1 130/#5 P4P)
Jesus Chavez (Top 5 130)
Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 130)
Jose Luis Castillo (#1 135)
DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 140)
Arturo Gatti (#2 140)
Zab Judah (Top 5 147)
Carlos Baldomir (RING WW CHAMP)
Oscar De La Hoya (Top 5 154)
Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P)
Shane Mosley (#1-2 147/#3 P4P)
Victor Ortiz (#2 147)
Miguel Cotto (#1 154)
Robert Guerrero (Top 5 147)
Canelo Alvarez (RING JMW CHAMP)
Marcos Maidana (Top 10 147)

Genaro, Corrales, Castillo, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley all could lay claim to being the best fighter at those weights at those times he fought them.

Floyd's beaten 14 fighters who were at the very least Top 5 at the weight he fought them, and 8-9 of them were one of the top 2 guys there at the time.

Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto are all fighters who could potentially wind up in the HOF one day. Not to mention Canelo could become great.

Say what you will about him, but he fights legit fights most of the time.

And as far as the Red K about Pacquiao......yeah he hasn't done much since 2009. He's beaten Clottey, who was a Top 5 WW, and Braldey, who was Top 5 P4P. Good wins for him, but that's not much in the last 4 1/2 years.

In that time span Floyd has beaten Mosley, Top 5 P4P and the #1-2 WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW. Cotto was the #1 JMW. Guerrero and Maidana would be top ranked WW, and Canelo was the #1 JMW.

Those are just numbers but with no analysis on the opponent.
You said that Marquez was #2 P4P ...... REALLY?
What if Floyd, who is #1 P4P, and he said is TBE, moves up to face Andre Ward. How much credit can we give Ward for winning on UD?
ANSWER: "It was expected win" type of credit.


Show me how many fights that Floyd took that were risky and that he was the underdog? You will see that that list will shrink DRAMATICALLY! You are not showing us the truth instead what you are doing is trying to hide the truth with those misleading numbers (AKA Marquez #2 P4P example)

[MurkaMan]

Do you change facial expressions when you're tugging on your two incher over Floyd related interviews/fights/threads, Karceno, ya fat coconut?

Im biased just because I speak honest about Floyd, opposed to saying whats popular? Sorry Im not going out of my way to discredit him just because you all want me to.

[4Corners]

Best win?

Diego Corrales. Not a HOF.

2nd best win?

Jose Luis Castillo. Not a HOF.

3rd best win?

Hatton Not a HOF. not even. please just dont even start.

4th best win?

Canelo? best win was austin trout.

5th best win?

Genaro? Not a HOF.

6th best win?

Oscar? past prime fighting once a year was basically semi retired.

7th best win?

Mosley? one year and a half inactive going on 39 almost KO's floyd.

8th best win?

Cotto past prime went through the ringer vs margs and pac.

9th best win?

Marquez? career featherweight who had one fight above 130. got cheated on the scales to boot. disgusting.

10th best win?

Jesus Chavez? Not a HOF.

That's really thin for even a ATG let alone best ever.

So wait......Tszyu is a Hall of Fame fighter and Cotto will be.....but Castillo and Corrales aren't??? Seriously check the resumes.

Genaro Hernandez (#1 130)
Angel Manfredy (#2 130)
Diego Corrales (#1 130/#5 P4P)
Jesus Chavez (Top 5 130)
Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 130)
Jose Luis Castillo (#1 135)
DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 140)
Arturo Gatti (#2 140)
Zab Judah (Top 5 147)
Carlos Baldomir (RING WW CHAMP)
Oscar De La Hoya (Top 5 154)
Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P)
Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P)
Shane Mosley (#1-2 147/#3 P4P)
Victor Ortiz (#2 147)
Miguel Cotto (#1 154)
Robert Guerrero (Top 5 147)
Canelo Alvarez (RING JMW CHAMP)
Marcos Maidana (Top 10 147)

Genaro, Corrales, Castillo, Canelo, Cotto, Mosley all could lay claim to being the best fighter at those weights at those times he fought them.

Floyd's beaten 14 fighters who were at the very least Top 5 at the weight he fought them, and 8-9 of them were one of the top 2 guys there at the time.

Corrales, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Cotto are all fighters who could potentially wind up in the HOF one day. Not to mention Canelo could become great.

Say what you will about him, but he fights legit fights most of the time.

And as far as the Red K about Pacquiao......yeah he hasn't done much since 2009. He's beaten Clottey, who was a Top 5 WW, and Braldey, who was Top 5 P4P. Good wins for him, but that's not much in the last 4 1/2 years.

In that time span Floyd has beaten Mosley, Top 5 P4P and the #1-2 WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW. Cotto was the #1 JMW. Guerrero and Maidana would be top ranked WW, and Canelo was the #1 JMW.

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Wants to be the best ever but wanted to fight Amir Khan a month ago and still wants to fight him in September. Best business man but not fighter.

[Jsmooth9876]

He's definitely right. People on this very forum said Floyd wouldn't fight Guerrero. Wasn't as much as with Mosley and Canelo, but it was there.



When you say "retire", you mean when he took a year off from the sport? That's not a retirement. It turned into 18 months because he injured himself during training and the fight was postponed. Exactly how good were these people you say he ducked if they were no longer good after one year?

Does Floyd himself ever get old, or is he always in his prime while everyone else gets washed up?

He never fought Manny,Margarito,Williams or Cotto until way way later so I guess we'll never know..