Comments Thread For: Ellerbe: Maidana, The Hardest Puncher of Floyd's Career

[TintaBoricua]

Maidana isn't the biggest puncher Floyd's faced, but he's up there as one of the biggest. I'd also consider Maidana ABOVE Mosley.

Mosley's power at welterweight is overrated. It was formidable, but a lot of his perceived power at welterweight is erroneously influenced with his lightweight days. At lightweight, Shane was a monster. At welterweight, his power was still great but not anywhere close to what it was at lightweight.

Maidana is either above Mosley or at the very least marginally above him. He has beat up everyone he's faced in the last 5 years...win or lose, with the exception of Devon Alexander.

[From Russia]

Gayllerbe is full of ****, as usual...

[WESS]

Chico, Mosley, Oscar, and Alvarez all had more power at the weights Floyd fought them at than Maidana has as a WW

^^^^ This...

Maybe statistically Maidana has the highest or one of the highest KO percentages but that doesn't mean anything.

Wilder, 31 wins 31 KO's. Doesn't mean he will knock out Arreola when and IF they fight.

[SeekDaGreat]

"Floyd is so boring! But for some reason, I can't stop myself from watching every single fight he's involved in. I'm obsessed." - NSB

Most people watch Mayweather fights to see him hopefully lose. Not because we are entertained by his performances. That's a cold hard fact, and yes I guess you can say we are "obsessed" with potentially watching him lose.

[-=Shade=-]

He's up there.

Yip, even if he's not the strongest per say. That doesn't make the fight interesting though. I half suspect Floyd may pitch a shutout, but what makes the fight at least potentially interesting is that Maidana has power in some really oddball shots from the outside, frequently when he or his opponent is on the move. I think Floyd beats anybody if he can see or anticipate what's coming. You might be able to challenge that via raw athletics (a scaled down Martinez), or by being really dynamic (a prime Pac, err, though I think Pac is still too much risk for Floyd). You might get a competitive fight via the latter day Floyd with a guy like Cotto or Bradley, but we saw Cotto and I don't think he'd risk Bradley (though I hardly think that's fear per say). By definition the power shots Maidana throws are hard to anticipate, and while Floyd isn't chinny he doesn't like being hit hard. I think Maidana knows what to do with a guy that holds after a hard lesson with Devon, and Floyd's 'body work' will be the jab. The thing that's going to work the most against Maidana is his tendency to fixate and follow, and the question is can he actually deliver enough of those unconventional power shots to make a bit of difference. I think he certianly stands a better chance than Guerrero, or Canelo, or Ortiz, or a 2010 Mosley, and Floyd himself isn't getting any younger.

[Calabis]

The problem is Floyd wouldn't fight Mosley & Cotto in their prime; they hit too hard then. He's never wanted to fight Pacquiao because he hit too hard. He never wanted to fight Oscar in a rematch for $25M because he found in the first fight Oscar hits too hard and hit Floyd too often. Floyd wouldn't stand and fight with Canelo & Guerrero because they hit too hard. So expect Floyd to stay on his bicycle and run with Maidana because he hits too hard.

There has been a article posted 1000x on this site when Arum was asked about the matchup when he had all of them in his stable. He said Cotto wasn't ready and wanted to build him up more.

The announcement of welterweight WBC champion Floyd Mayweather taking on World Boxing Association (WBA) junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto was of no shock to me. These two have a history together. And it a fight that should have taken place years ago.

Contrary to popular belief that Mayweather ducked Cotto, it was two words that kept this fight from happening; Bob Arum. In 2006 Floyd Mayweather was set to face Antonio Margarito on August 12th of that year for 8 million dollars. Arum said Mayweather had no problem facing Margarito, but he wanted a 10 million dollar guarantee to fight Cotto and Ricky Hatton. The problem came when Arum only offered him 7 million.

Instead Mayweather bought out his contract for 750,000 dollars and took over his own career. I cant really blame Mayweather for making this move. Why fight for 8 million and then take a pay cut in his next bout? Mayweather was set to fight Cotto after Mayweather took apart Arturo Gatti. But it was Arum who said it was too soon and he needed to build up the fight some more.

According to Mayweather, the fight was supposed to take place after the Henry Bruseles fight whom he took apart in eight rounds. Bruseles was a test fight to see how Mayweather would fare against Cotto. It is also note worthy that Cotto was Bruseles lead sparring partner.

From ESPN article:

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."


So with Arum saying he would have fought Margarito.....let's just discount that...Arum did not want to give him 10 mil for Hatton/Cotto after Marg fight.

[Foreign Soil]

Chico, Mosley, Oscar, and Alvarez all had more power at the weights Floyd fought them at than Maidana has as a WW

Alvarez doesn't have power at 152.

[Beater_of_ass]

Sorry, but ODLH and Cotto would not have hurt, let a lone stopped Karass.

Mosley's power comes from his speed more then blunt one **** in your face power so I would say he is up there.

This might be the first time I agree with Ellerbe, but I have been saying this for a while.

You know nothing... Using your dumbass logic Danny Garcia has more power than Maidana because he knocked him out and Maidana lost going the distance. Just go away, Maidana does not have the size or the technique to gain the amount of power Oscar and Cotto do on their shots. A wide reaching hook on a guy moving up 2 weight classes doesn't make him some monster and he STILL didn't knock Broner out either. You put Cotto or Oscar with Broner and 147 and someone in press row would be throwing Broners head back in the ring.

[Mayweatherducks]

Tell Fraud to stop ducking the best. PAC Martinez Lara and Thurman
How can Khan be his next opponent or Collazo cause it's going to be a sure upset when glass jaw Khan gets knocked out by Collazo ? Quack quack quack ?

[Bronx2245]

There has been a article posted 1000x on this site when Arum was asked about the matchup when he had all of them in his stable. He said Cotto wasn't ready and wanted to build him up more.

The announcement of welterweight WBC champion Floyd Mayweather taking on World Boxing Association (WBA) junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto was of no shock to me. These two have a history together. And it a fight that should have taken place years ago.

Contrary to popular belief that Mayweather ducked Cotto, it was two words that kept this fight from happening; Bob Arum. In 2006 Floyd Mayweather was set to face Antonio Margarito on August 12th of that year for 8 million dollars. Arum said Mayweather had no problem facing Margarito, but he wanted a 10 million dollar guarantee to fight Cotto and Ricky Hatton. The problem came when Arum only offered him 7 million.

Instead Mayweather bought out his contract for 750,000 dollars and took over his own career. I cant really blame Mayweather for making this move. Why fight for 8 million and then take a pay cut in his next bout? Mayweather was set to fight Cotto after Mayweather took apart Arturo Gatti. But it was Arum who said it was too soon and he needed to build up the fight some more.

According to Mayweather, the fight was supposed to take place after the Henry Bruseles fight whom he took apart in eight rounds. Bruseles was a test fight to see how Mayweather would fare against Cotto. It is also note worthy that Cotto was Bruseles lead sparring partner.

From ESPN article:

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."


So with Arum saying he would have fought Margarito.....let's just discount that...Arum did not want to give him 10 mil for Hatton/Cotto after Marg fight.

Thanks so much for once again bringing facts to the light! I also found a quote from Floyd, which is true about Shane Mosely:

"In 1999, we tried to fight Shane 10 years ago and he turned the fight down and then in 2006 when he fought Fernando Vargas, right after the fight he said he had a toothache and he wanted to go on vacation with his family.

"I guess now that he's 38 and his career is coming to an end and everybody knows they can make huge money with Floyd Mayweather, everybody is shooting shots at me.

"But I wish Shane Mosley nothing but the best in his career."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...586721,00.html

Floyd ain't ducking no Pacquiao, he's getting even with Bob Arum! When Shane left, he got the fight, when Marquez left, he got the fight, when Cotto left, he got the fight, and when Manny leaves, he'll get the fight...and probably the same result!