Which fighters do you suspect of juicing past or present?

[radioraheem]

No he cut Ghost with three right hands a round. Why didnt he cut anyone else? Stop acting ******. The old Floyd would never cut Ghost or buckle him. The old Floyd would have a tough time getting his respect with those soft shots. The old Floyd would NOT WALK DOWN Canelo and BUCKLE HIM WITH A JAB.

@ three right hands per round. That was some fight you were watching.

[elfag]

I dont care about him putting anyone on the deck. Do you think that the Floyd who slapped u JMM would have the power to buckle Ghost and cut his face? Floyd was EXTREMELY weak against JMM. He was almost TOO fast, and it made him hit very soft. Ghost is big af at ww, and he walked through Berto's shots. Floyd buckled him and cut his face. And Floyd doesnt cut anyone's face. Now look at how he brutalized Canelo. Canelo was 165lbs and Floyd walked him down the whole fight, and buckled him with a stiff JAB in the fourth round before the lowblow. Floyd has gotten big and bulky and he was actually overpowering Canelo and hurt him a few times. Now you think the ligthning fast Floyd who faced JMM would be able to do all that to Canelo? Come on bro, Floyd has had a NOTICEABLE power increase whether you want to admit it or not. And I watch all the interviews btw. They been talking about how much stronger he has been getting ever since the Ortiz fight. Ever since that fight, his everthriving power has been an issue, in each training camp.

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[Richard Wadd]

Holyfield.

The Evan Fields thing, his claims about it being for the****utic reasons and saying "you can ask my doctor except he is dead", his hair going from Nino Brown to Uncle Phil in a year, the heart problems, the doctors for the NSAC saying his symptoms were consistent with HGH use

[Bigg Rigg]

Holyfield???

[Richard Wadd]

Pro sports in general are probably dirty and filled with people who use peds. The collegiate level is probably filled with ped-using athletes.

[boxingfeind]

Disclaimer, this is not a thread of accusations, I'm just speaking about my personal su****ions as a fan

Let's be objective about this... No fanboyism just be honest.

Here's my list.

Mayweather and Pacquiao, Matthysse, Kovalev, Marquez, Rigo, Bernard Hopkins (maybe), Canelo (maybe)

Reasons:

Mayweather

IDGAF how much you spout ''hard work dedication'', it's simply not normal to be performing at this level at the age of 37, people also forget that roids help you train harder and longer, plus the fact that he went on this PEDs crusade comes across as being like someone who is trying to hide their own juicing by accusing other fighters (Pacman) to deflect accusations from himself.

Also the video when he was questioned about TRT (Testosterone replacement therapy) was su****ious as hell, his face looked guilty as hell. There has also been another instance where he was asked about TRT and he looked at Ellerbe worried as hell. Not to mention his balding, small looking testicles and apparent anger management problems, the tell tale signs are there.

(TRT, EPO) (opinion)

Pacquiao

As much as I love Manny, one cannot deny that in his peak at 2009 he was strangely physically gifted, if he was natural he may be the genetic freak of our times, his stamina was inhuman, and his power was cray. Ariza is also a su****ious character and he's been caught with Rios, plus the talk of Freddie not knowing what was in those ''shakes''. Plus he didn't jump at the opportunity to abide to the random testing in the Mayweather negotiations. Manny always had the physical gifts but he is not beyond su****ion.

(EPO, HGH, Testosterone) (Opinion)

Matthysse

This guy had crazy power, he just dropped guys right left and center, but my main su****ions are that leading up to the Garcia a poster mentioned that he alongside many big time gamblers had inside info that Matthysse was a big juicer and that he wouldn't have the same power against Garcia, alas Garcia was the one who appeared to have the greater power in that fight.

Bernard Hopkins

I'm a big fan of B-Hop but you can't be performing like this at the age of 50, it's just not normal notwithstanding a clean lifestyle etc. (probable drugs) (HGH, TRT)

Rigondeaux

This is mainly due to a documentary I watched on the cuban academies, where they said the most talented fighters get the best 'vitamins' hmmm.... sounds like some su****ious ish to me, there isn't that great of a variation in vitamin quality, plus they don't have that great of an effect on performance.

Feel free to discuss.

Floyd was planning to take the same test he asked Pacquiao to take and he also offered Pacquiao 50% in the first negotiations.If Floyd was really juicing he wouldn't have agreed to the same testing.He really felt Pacquiao was juicing that is why he asked for Random testing.Also its possible for any fighter not too old to train as hard as Floyd.And Mayweather is a lot slower then he use to be;while Pacquiao despite taking much more punishment then Floyd in his career,still appears to have not lost any speed.

[boxingfeind]

Disclaimer, this is not a thread of accusations, I'm just speaking about my personal su****ions as a fan

Let's be objective about this... No fanboyism just be honest.

Here's my list.

Mayweather and Pacquiao, Matthysse, Kovalev, Marquez, Rigo, Bernard Hopkins (maybe), Canelo (maybe)

Reasons:

Mayweather

IDGAF how much you spout ''hard work dedication'', it's simply not normal to be performing at this level at the age of 37, people also forget that roids help you train harder and longer, plus the fact that he went on this PEDs crusade comes across as being like someone who is trying to hide their own juicing by accusing other fighters (Pacman) to deflect accusations from himself.

Also the video when he was questioned about TRT (Testosterone replacement therapy) was su****ious as hell, his face looked guilty as hell. There has also been another instance where he was asked about TRT and he looked at Ellerbe worried as hell. Not to mention his balding, small looking testicles and apparent anger management problems, the tell tale signs are there.

(TRT, EPO) (opinion)

Pacquiao

As much as I love Manny, one cannot deny that in his peak at 2009 he was strangely physically gifted, if he was natural he may be the genetic freak of our times, his stamina was inhuman, and his power was cray. Ariza is also a su****ious character and he's been caught with Rios, plus the talk of Freddie not knowing what was in those ''shakes''. Plus he didn't jump at the opportunity to abide to the random testing in the Mayweather negotiations. Manny always had the physical gifts but he is not beyond su****ion.

(EPO, HGH, Testosterone) (Opinion)

Matthysse

This guy had crazy power, he just dropped guys right left and center, but my main su****ions are that leading up to the Garcia a poster mentioned that he alongside many big time gamblers had inside info that Matthysse was a big juicer and that he wouldn't have the same power against Garcia, alas Garcia was the one who appeared to have the greater power in that fight.

Bernard Hopkins

I'm a big fan of B-Hop but you can't be performing like this at the age of 50, it's just not normal notwithstanding a clean lifestyle etc. (probable drugs) (HGH, TRT)

Rigondeaux

This is mainly due to a documentary I watched on the cuban academies, where they said the most talented fighters get the best 'vitamins' hmmm.... sounds like some su****ious ish to me, there isn't that great of a variation in vitamin quality, plus they don't have that great of an effect on performance.

Feel free to discuss.

And how about Canelo who turned down testing for the first Trout negotiations which caused the fight not to happen back in 2011 or 2012?

[deanrw]

I suspect all the top fighters to have dabbled with it at one point or another, no exceptions. At one time I thought boxing was clean of that stuff. Over time though, we have all seen these leaks, small ones, that overall make you go hmmmm.

[Richard Wadd]

America's pastime has a long history of cheaters and drug-users. In the baseball world, it's ok to use amphetamines, but not steroids or HGH. It's okay to use elaborate systems to steal signs (the most famous HR in baseball history came when the Giants had been stealing signs for awhile). Putting foreign substances on the ball when you pitch is fine, but steroids and HGH are unforgivable sins that keep you out of the HOF.

The Oakland raiders use to use illegal casts to hurt their opponents worse (Phil Villapiano will talk all about it), the Patriots would tape beyond what they were allowed to, there were all kinds of players juicing.

Michael Jordan cheats elderly women in games of Go Fish, I highly doubt he wouldn't cheat to win in his occupation if he is willing to do so to beat senior citizens in cards. Teams would inflate the basketballs when their PG would prefer a higher dribble (magic), others would deflate it if their PGs preferred a lower one.

Track and Field is super dirty, highlighted by that piece of horse manure Carl Lewis, who always spoke out against illegal drug use but his positive drug test was kept quiet. "Oh it was just from Sudafed". I can't stand that smug pole smoker

Bottom line, sports are for entertainment and aren't filled with the most honest people.

[Richard Wadd]

Floyd was planning to take the same test he asked Pacquiao to take and he also offered Pacquiao 50% in the first negotiations.If Floyd was really juicing he wouldn't have agreed to the same testing.He really felt Pacquiao was juicing that is why he asked for Random testing.Also its possible for any fighter not too old to train as hard as Floyd.And Mayweather is a lot slower then he use to be;while Pacquiao despite taking much more punishment then Floyd in his career,still appears to have not lost any speed.

Manny's foot and hand speed have decreased too.

both manny and Floyd still being this fast at their ages is really impressive, even though they used to be quicker