Nonbiased accurate look at Floyd's resume.

[The Noose]

Unified champ? you have a loose definition of unified. He beat Carlos Hernandez and Chavez who was on the verge of being deported numerous times. Hardly "Unified" champ status.

He got absolutely crushed by Raheem just one fight before fighting Pac in the rematch. It's why Morales moved up, he couldn't make 130 any more but he did for the $$$$$$$$$$$

Morales looked great when he beat Pac. I dont understand why people keep bringinhg that up. Morales was a great great fighter. Pac then went on to do the impossible at higher weights.

[I Love Jesus!]

Name a fighter in history that could have done that to THAT version of JMM.

Sigged! ..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Unified champ? you have a loose definition of unified. He beat Carlos Hernandez and Chavez who was on the verge of being deported numerous times. Hardly "Unified" champ status.

He got absolutely crushed by Raheem just one fight before fighting Pac in the rematch. It's why Morales moved up, he couldn't make 130 any more but he did for the $$$$$$$$$$$

Lmao

Famoso had a belt, morales beat him, then morales as champ fought the other champ at 130 in Chavez and beat him and unified... Then lost it in war with Barrera and then turned around and fought and beat manny..
So it's completely ******ed to think morales wasn't a unified champ and even ******er to think that Raheem crushed morales... Wtf are you smoking, Raheem beat him on points but did no damage.. If morales was crushed by Raheem, then Maidana got murdered by Devon Alexander and now Floyd is fighting Devon's 3 yr old leftovers,,, wtf
I can't believe how ****** people are in NSb,,, morales has two belts in a division but it's not unified,

[Showtime..]

Guerrero is trash. People need to stop sucking up to that scrub. Floyd wiped the floor with him. I don't even like Floyd and I gave him a 12-0 UD win.

[MurkaMan]

I'm not disagreeing that it was an impressive win, I just wouldn't call it one of his best given the circumstances if everything. Styles make fights and everything JMM does well, Floyd can do better, and on top of that I'm factoring in JMM not being able to put on weight and Floyd not trying to make weight.

I agree Floyd has a very good resume, but it bothers me that it could be better. Had he fought Margarito, Pwill, Cotto and Manny after Oscar, all fights I think he could have won, I think you could could put his name next to anyone in the sport. I admit Arum didn't want Cotto to fight him back then. Pwill as fun as it would be I don't think was ever really screamed for by a majority of the fans (I could be wrong, before my time as an active fan). Manny and Floyd both deserve blame for the fight not happening, none of us were in negotiations so it's hard to know who's fault it truly was, but neither pushed as hard as they could of. Margarito's really the only fighter I will say Floyd 100% ducked. So yes I admit I have unrealistic expectations for what his resume could be, but with extraordinary talent comes extraordinary expectations.

You say styles make fights. JMM is no different than any other opponents as I have stated in the post. Floyd compromises his style in order to dominate your style without being grazed. Stop talking about styles.

I dont care about the weight. Floyd didnt make Mosley come up in weight, and he looked the same as Marquez. I feel like some of these comments are posted so you can find ways to make excuses for why he is so sharp. No fighter in history is this good.

And as I have stated why would he fight all of those easy fights after fighting Oscar? If at that point he had felt by getting the fight with Oscar that he had accomplished everything. Floyd was a washed up fighter at that stage and he looked horrible against Oscar and Hatton.

So if their is 10 elite fighters out there for me to fight, but Im done with the sport I should just fight just to be fighting? If Im ready to retire, Im ready to retire. What if their are 60 elite fighters? I am obligated to fight them all, when Im just done with boxing? He openly stated that he didnt even love boxing anymore.

I feel like this comment was another reach. Im not interested in Arum and Cotto and all of that jive. As I stated before, Floyd went directly to Gatti and Oscar. All the other fights in between that could have happened, where not ducks just because he went directly to his money fights. And even without them on his resume, who cares? His name SURPASSES every fighter in history based off of skills alone.

I dont care about who you claim he COULD have fought. No fighter in history could take the guys that he DID fight, and do what he did to them. He is the greatest fighter in the history of the game. I never seen anything like it.

[Holywarrior]

Lmao

Famoso had a belt, morales beat him, then morales as champ fought the other champ at 130 in Chavez and beat him and unified... Then lost it in war with Barrera and then turned around and fought and beat manny..
So it's completely ******ed to think morales wasn't a unified champ and even ******er to think that Raheem crushed morales... Wtf are you smoking, Raheem beat him on points but did no damage.. If morales was crushed by Raheem, then Maidana got murdered by Devon Alexander and now Floyd is fighting Devon's 3 yr old leftovers,,, wtf
I can't believe how ****** people are in NSb,,, morales has two belts in a division but it's not unified,

So you're going to consider Mayweather the unified welterweight champ if he beats Maidana?

Raheem won the fight 10 rounds to 2. It was embarrassing.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So you're going to consider Mayweather the unified welterweight champ if he beats Maidana?

Floyd is already pretty much unified to me, remember there is 4 damn belts in this wanna be sport,,, Floyd beat baldomir, Shane, Ortiz, so he is already unified, Maidana has a belt that Floyd already had and never lost..

If porter and Maidana fought I would consider it unifying.. Any time more than one belt is on the line then it's a unification...
Not really a hard to understand

[jvsnypes]

First thing I want to say is that Im not a f.lomo. I used to ride for Floyd and truly felt that Pac was ducking him until he demanded 100% of the revenue. After the Cotto fight, this fool said, 'Take The test' in front of millions of people when everyone knew that at that point the money, and not the test, was the issue.

However, I have grown to let that slide from the Ghost fight to the Canelo fight.

The way he beat them made me feel that ducking Pacman wont blind me, or anyone from all of these masterful performances. There is NO FIGHTER IN HISTORY that can take his resume, and make the adjustments needed in order to dominate them all without being grazed. What are you going to say? 'Der they would knock them out in one round'?

Well take their power away, could they make poetry out of these opponents like Floyd does? No fighter in history could do it, and based off of skills alone I think Flolyd may be the greatest most skilled fighter in the history of professional pugilism.

As far as him ducking, I only give him credit for ducking Pacman. One fighter.

He structured his career to get two money fights with Oscar and Gatti. He went directly to Oscar and Gatti, and people who hate him accused him of ducking ten or twenty fighters who were in between. Not cool at all. He retired after Oscar NOT to duck a bunch of easy fights, but because he felt that after fighting Oscar he had got everything he set out to get. Around that time he said he didnt even love boxing anymore. I think his best wins are JMM, Ortiz who was 164lbs and 24 yrs old, Mosley who at that time was coming off a great win, Ghost who he changed his entire style in order to beat, and Canelo who I felt was too big for him. It was a bonus fight, and he walked that giant down. Cotto was shot when Floyd fought him. He was destroyed by Pac and Margarita, and was coming off an unimpressive victory over a shot Margarita. Oscar was old and he was a money fight to me.

I remember when Ortiz beat Berto, he was number 2 at ww and was the best, strongest, most prime guy out there. Jim Lampley said no one at ww would fight him. Then when Floyd chose him, he said that Floyd was fighting him because he didnt throw any jabs at Berto, as if a jab is going to run Floyd away.

Floyd has BLATANTLY fought the absolute BEST at Golden boy at the time he fought them. But detractors pretend to ignore that and instead OVERexaggerrate about him picking them for a reason. When in actuallity, those opinions didnt matter. Because they were the BEST at the company at the time he fought them.



I feel that most people dont even know boxing, and dont base their fight predictions on any fight math. Instead base their predictions on hype; "Floyd is going to win because he's Floyd" "Ghost is going to lose because he's goofy, lame, and no one like that would beat Floyd"

Most people thought he would be shoulder rolling and countering Ghost on the inside. I knew it would be impossible, because Ghost is not the brawler you all marked him off as. He's a tall tactical pressure swarmer. His punches are long and too close together. Floyd clinched BOTH his arms on the inside 100% of the time they got close. He did that to take away the very thing I thought would cause Floyd problems. Floyd normally shoulder rolls on the inside, and I didnt know that he was smart enough to realize Ghosts inside game was a problem. Not only that, but Floyd used footwork to neutralize his height and longness. I didnt know he still had footwork. I didnt see ANY boxing writers, or any posters talk about those small adjustments he made. Because he has NEVER fought like that his entire career. After the fight, pretend-fans claimed, 'I knew it would play out like this. I knew Floyd would win'

The Ghost fight was boring as hell. Floyd threw two slow right hands a round and ran around the ring. But it impressed me how he changed his entire style to compensate for Ghost's awkwardness. He fights all of these different fighters and styles, and completely changes his style in order to dominate them all without being grazed. No fighter in history could do this. NONE.

Floyd is the only fighter in history that is truly BORN to box. SRL started boxing at 16 as a hobby and ended up being good at it. While Floyd was born into a boxing family and could naturally run 3 to 4 miles at the age of SEVEN.

SRL was washed up at 30 and lacked discipline and was a dopehead. Floyd is the only fighter in history to be in his prime at 37, and is programmed to be BEYOND discipline. I have never seen a fighter with this type of work ethic. Without boxing SRL is alright. Without boxing Floyd is doomed. Floyd is only built to box. He's not even built to function in the real world without it.

You had fighters like ALI who was washed up at 37 and losing to Spinks who only had seven fights.

I dont care if he ducked Pacman or not, thats not going to blind me from all this other stuff. Skills, dedication, versitility etc.

I guarantee you this, Floyd will be fighting in his PRIME at the age of 40 and older. When he retires he will have nothing to live for. Then he will just keep returning to the sport. No trolls please, I just want thoughts from nonbiased people only. Because when you start being HONEST About Floyd you may end up saying something you dont want to say; That he is the most SKILLED fighter in the HISTORY of fighting, in ALL.

Great insight and good post. I respectfully disagree. No Floyd is not the best technical fighter of all time. How can that possibly be proven when he has never put his skill set up against another prime future hall of famer? Floyd is a wizard in the ring and his defense may be one of the best ever, but not overall skill set. If his offensive skills matched his defensive skills, he would be knocking these B and C level opponents out. It doesn't matter that he is not heavy handed, if he put his punches together and went to the body more, he would be breaking these guys down and getting late round stoppages. Floyd had the opportunity to fight Paul Williams and Margarita in their prime at welterweight, but for financial reasons chose not to. He never fought Cotto at 140 where Cotto was at his best. De La Hoya was on his downside and inactive and still only lost by split decision. Mosley shot his load against Margarita, but I give Floyd his props for beating him after he destroyed Margarita. He never fought Pacquiao in his prime and I seriously doubt if he ever fights Bradley, who is the next best WW. He will probably never challenge himself to move up and fight Martinez. That being said, I agree with you that Floyd is still a great fighter.

But for the reasons above, you can never put Floyd in the same sentence with the likes of Ali and Leonard. Dope head or lack of discipline or whatever...Ali cleaned out the heavyweight division in his era. (Which is said to be the best era in that division) And Leonard defeated other legends which is why he is lengendary. There is no questioning those guy's resumes. Floyd is a great fighter and a future hall of famer, but there is a significant difference between a great fighter and a legendary fighter. Floyd chose to be the richest fighter ever. Can you blame him??? But by choosing that path, he for one reason or another, has never fought other great fighters in their prime. So because of that, we can only assume what would happen if he faced A level fighters in their prime. That's something we don't have to assume with Ali and Leonard.

As far as prime goes, all fighters hit their prime at different ages. Did we ever see Ali in his prime??? His exile cheated the world from seeing how great Ali could have been, yet he still returned and cleaned out the division and became the 1st 3 time heavyweight champion. Leonard fought a viscious Duran who had only lost 1 fight in almost 70 fights. He defeated the most dangerous WW in the division in Tommy Hearns, who was in his prime and also a hall of famer. Then after a 3 year layoff returned to defeat Hagler who had just KO'd Mugabi. Hagler is argubly one of the top 2 middleweights of all time. He then moved up and KO'd the light heavyweight champion of the world.

So in conclusion, I will say that Floyd has made the right business moves to make himself a very rich man. He has fought the right opponents to create a somewhat mythical mystic and be looked at as an all time great. But because of his decisions, that will always be debated. Its easy to look great in an era filled with one dimensional hyped up opponents. Its easy to look like a master technician against tailor made opposition. But what would have happened with Mayweather vs Cotto at 140, Mayweather vs Williams at 147, Mayweather vs Margarita at 147, Mayweather vs Pacquiao in 2009, Mayweather vs Mosley in 2005, Mayweather vs De La Hoya in 2004, Mayweather vs Martinez,or Mayweather vs Bradley??? We will never know, we can only assume.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So you're going to consider Mayweather the unified welterweight champ if he beats Maidana?

Raheem won the fight 10 rounds to 2. It was embarrassing.

And your right about Raheem, but he didn't crush him,, he did what Floyd did to jmm,,
You can out point and beat a guy and not crush him like you proclaimed


If you wanna see someone get crushed that's manny vs hatton or cotto, gatti vs Floyd...Tito vs joppy,,,, Those were crushing beat downs not Raheem-morales

[thuggery]

wtf happend to thuggery?

I hated Pacquiao dearly back then which led me to siding with Floyd on most things. Things change over time and with Floyd's antics/ducking combined with his fanbase being widely considered as the worst in all of sports (which I witnessed first hand), my opinion on him changed. Not sure why he keeps bringing it up, people's opinions on fighters change all the time.