Nonbiased accurate look at Floyd's resume.

[MurkaMan]

And another one damn

Yea but these are facts right here. I even said straight up he DUCKED Pac. But I also explained why it didnt matter. This dude is a once in a lifetime fighter we have here.

[The Noose]

Yea because at the time Ortiz was so big, prime, and strong. I think thats the first time in recent years that Floyd fought a big prime young guy. And based off the mosley fight, Ortiz was looking really dangerous. Its no way Mosley would have done that to Berto. Because Mosley was "Old" remember? While Ortiz was in his prime.

I dont think wins over Ortiz and JMM was so impressive given their style matchup.
I think Floyd is great, but for too long has fought massive underdogs, including Canelo. IMO.

And are you admitting that no fighter in history could dominate Floyd's resume as easily as he did? Could SRL have made them look as foolish? Be honest!

There is no way of knowing how Leonard would of done. But he was just as fast as Floyd, but bigger with more power. So i dont see why he couldnt of dominated all the opponents on Floyds resume. But he also was more aggressive and went for the KO more. So he may of been hit much more.

I dont think that means Floyd is more impressive. Its subjective. Meaning that it depends on what you personally find more impressive...a KO, or not getting hit. Floyd dominates, but doesnt get hit. SRL would get hit more, but probably score way more KO's.

[Citizen Koba]

You must be upset that I was able to literrally prove that he is the best fighter in history. You cant argue with anything I said. At all.

Not upset at all...I acknowledge Floyd as a great fighter...I meant exactly what I said in my post - anyone who claims to be unbiased never is. It had nothing to do with the content of your post (which I didn't read as I'm already fully conversant with the relvent history).

It should be a simple matter of logic to understand that bias or lack thereof can only be judged by ones peers not by oneself.

Why would I want to argue with you?

[tyshun30]

Yea but these are facts right here. I even said straight up he DUCKED Pac. But I also explained why it didnt matter. This dude is a once in a lifetime fighter we have here.

Until may/pac fight i could care less about who duck who both camps are to blame

[DeadLikeMe]

"Pacman is the best because he beat opponents better than Floyd."

"Floyd sure didn't lose to and get KTFO by JMM"

"Waaaa triangle theories don't work."

[junior gong]

Non biased my arse!

[MurkaMan]

I dont think wins over Ortiz and JMM was so impressive given their style matchup.
I think Floyd is great, but for too long has fought massive underdogs, including Canelo. IMO.



There is no way of knowing how Leonard would of done. But he was just as fast as Floyd, but bigger with more power. So i dont see why he couldnt of dominated all the opponents on Floyds resume. But he also was more aggressive and went for the KO more. So he may of been hit much more.

I dont think that means Floyd is more impressive. Its subjective. Meaning that it depends on what you personally find more impressive...a KO, or not getting hit. Floyd dominates, but doesnt get hit. SRL would get hit more, but probably score way more KO's.

Ortiz was a very aggressive Southpaw and a great volume puncher so what are you talking about? That was a GREAT style match up. JMM was a counterpuncher but the thing is this; He made them ALL look the same no matter WHAT their style was. That was a point I made. He changes his style in order to dominate them all without being grazed. Which brings me to SRL....Which I will get into after I speak about Canelo. Canelo was not a brawler, swarmer, or like anything Floyd had seen prior. He was a Jumbo Boxer. I dont care about the odds, because they always predict Floyd to win easily. But Canelo was too big for Floyd I have always said that. Floyd stood in the pocket and walked that man down. Millions of casual fans witnessed it live and probably didnt even know boxing could be executed at this level. That was LEGENDARY. I dont think ANY fighter in history would be strong enough to challenge 2013 Mayweather who is THIRTY SEVEN FKING YEARS OLD. But even WITHOUT the Canelo fight, Canelo is only ONE opponent out of MANY of his poetry-beatings. Canelo was just another fighter even tho he was 22 and 165lbs.

SRL didnt get hit because he went for KO's. He got hit because he is not as tactically sound as Floyd was, which for some reason this post makes me think your running around that fact. He got hit by bums, good, great fighters etc. My question was who could do what Floyd does. No fighter in history could. But if people really admitted this stuff, they may be saying something about Floyd that they dont wanna say. Floyd's overrall make up, is almost an unfair advantage when comparing him to fighters such as SRL

[MurkaMan]

Not upset at all...I acknowledge Floyd as a great fighter...I meant exactly what I said in my post - anyone who claims to be unbiased never is. It had nothing to do with the content of your post (which I didn't read as I'm already fully conversant with the relvent history).

It should be a simple matter of logic to understand that bias or lack thereof can only be judged by ones peers not by oneself.

Why would I want to argue with you?

You wouldnt want to, because their aint no winning this one.

[MurkaMan]

Until may/pac fight i could care less about who duck who both camps are to blame

Bro tighten up. Im not interested in arguing over who ducked who. That fight does not matter when everything else is looked at.

[boxingfeind]

First thing I want to say is that Im not a f.lomo. I used to ride for Floyd and truly felt that Pac was ducking him until he demanded 100% of the revenue. After the Cotto fight, this fool said, 'Take The test' in front of millions of people when everyone knew that at that point the money, and not the test, was the issue.

However, I have grown to let that slide from the Ghost fight to the Canelo fight.

The way he beat them made me feel that ducking Pacman wont blind me, or anyone from all of these masterful performances. There is NO FIGHTER IN HISTORY that can take his resume, and make the adjustments needed in order to dominate them all without being grazed. What are you going to say? 'Der they would knock them out in one round'?

Well take their power away, could they make poetry out of these opponents like Floyd does? No fighter in history could do it, and based off of skills alone I think Flolyd may be the greatest most skilled fighter in the history of professional pugilism.

As far as him ducking, I only give him credit for ducking Pacman. One fighter.

He structured his career to get two money fights with Oscar and Gatti. He went directly to Oscar and Gatti, and people who hate him accused him of ducking ten or twenty fighters who were in between. Not cool at all. He retired after Oscar NOT to duck a bunch of easy fights, but because he felt that after fighting Oscar he had got everything he set out to get. Around that time he said he didnt even love boxing anymore. I think his best wins are JMM, Ortiz who was 164lbs and 24 yrs old, Mosley who at that time was coming off a great win, Ghost who he changed his entire style in order to beat, and Canelo who I felt was too big for him. It was a bonus fight, and he walked that giant down. Cotto was shot when Floyd fought him. He was destroyed by Pac and Margarita, and was coming off an unimpressive victory over a shot Margarita. Oscar was old and he was a money fight to me.

I remember when Ortiz beat Berto, he was number 2 at ww and was the best, strongest, most prime guy out there. Jim Lampley said no one at ww would fight him. Then when Floyd chose him, he said that Floyd was fighting him because he didnt throw any jabs at Berto, as if a jab is going to run Floyd away.

Floyd has BLATANTLY fought the absolute BEST at Golden boy at the time he fought them. But detractors pretend to ignore that and instead OVERexaggerrate about him picking them for a reason. When in actuallity, those opinions didnt matter. Because they were the BEST at the company at the time he fought them.



I feel that most people dont even know boxing, and dont base their fight predictions on any fight math. Instead base their predictions on hype; "Floyd is going to win because he's Floyd" "Ghost is going to lose because he's goofy, lame, and no one like that would beat Floyd"

Most people thought he would be shoulder rolling and countering Ghost on the inside. I knew it would be impossible, because Ghost is not the brawler you all marked him off as. He's a tall tactical pressure swarmer. His punches are long and too close together. Floyd clinched BOTH his arms on the inside 100% of the time they got close. He did that to take away the very thing I thought would cause Floyd problems. Floyd normally shoulder rolls on the inside, and I didnt know that he was smart enough to realize Ghosts inside game was a problem. Not only that, but Floyd used footwork to neutralize his height and longness. I didnt know he still had footwork. I didnt see ANY boxing writers, or any posters talk about those small adjustments he made. Because he has NEVER fought like that his entire career.

The Ghost fight was boring as hell. Floyd threw two slow right hands a round and ran around the ring. But it impressed me how he changed his entire style to compensate for Ghost's awkwardness. He fights all of these different fighters and styles, and completely changes his style in order to dominate them all without being grazed. No fighter in history could do this. NONE.

Floyd is the only fighter in history that is truly BORN to box. SRL started boxing at 16 as a hobby and ended up being good at it. While Floyd was born into a boxing family and could naturally run 3 to 4 miles at the age of SEVEN.

SRL was washed up at 30 and lacked discipline and was a dopehead. Floyd is the only fighter in history to be in his prime at 37, and is programmed to be BEYOND discipline. I have never seen a fighter with this type of work ethic. Without boxing SRL is alright. Without boxing Floyd is doomed. Floyd is only built to box. He's not even built to function in the real world without it.

You had fighters like ALI who was washed up at 37 and losing to Spinks who only had seven fights.

I dont care if he ducked Pacman or not, thats not going to blind me from all this other stuff. Skills, dedication, versitility etc.

I guarantee you this, Floyd will be fighting in his PRIME at the age of 40 and older. When he retires he will have nothing to live for. Then he will just keep returning to the sport. No trolls please, I just want thoughts from nonbiased people only. Because when you start being HONEST About Floyd you may end up saying something you dont want to say; That he is the most SKILLED fighter in the HISTORY of fighting, in ALL.

Floyd in the first negotiations sent a contract to Pacquiao offering him 50% of the Revenue in which Pacquiao did not deserve just as long as Pacquiao and him take a random test,Pacquiao turned it down.SOurce:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing-...010-fight.html

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...yd-mayweather/


And FLoyd even had Floyd agreed to Pacquiao demand of paying ten mil for every pound Floyd comes over the 147 pound limit,and When Pacquiao was claiming that taking blood makes him weak and that he`s sacred of Needles Floyd bent backwards to give him a 14 day cut off date but Pac stilll refused..After Pacquiao turned down Floyd`s offer,Floyd said he`s not offereing Pacquiao 50% cut anymore and that the next time they negotiate Pacquiao has to agree to random testing with no cut off dates.

After 3 years pacquiao finally agreed to testing with no Cut off dates,then FLoyd called him up and offered him 40 mil which pacquiao turned down and aks for 50% which he didn't because FLoyd fights under his won promotional company in and PAcquiao doesn't,so as a result Floyd deserves a much bigger cut then Pacquiao.


Floyd never demanded 100 percent of the revenue in the Pacquiao fight,he simply insinuated that his deal is set up where he keeps all the revenue on his end,meaning he doesn't have to split anything with anybody.While Pacquiao has to split his end with Bob Arum who makes more out of Pacquiao fights then Pacquiao does.Its like that because Floyd fights under his own promotional company and thus he co-financing for his own fights, so that allows him to keep all the revenue on his end meaning he doesn't have to split his end with anybody.While Pacquiao fights under Top Rank Promotions which means he has to split his earnings with Arum where Arum gets the biggest cut because Arum finances Pacquiao fights.If Floyd and Pacquiao where to fight it would be Floyd and Arum financing the fight which would mean Floyd and Arum deserving a much bigger cut then Pacquiao.

Floyd offered Pacquiao 40 mil,Floyd and Arum would have gotten a big guarantee from the ticket sales and overseas showing of the fight because they co-financed the fight.The fight back then was estimated to generate 150 mil-200 mil.If the fight generated 200 mil,that 200 mil would have to be split between Mayweather,HBO,Arum and the PPV provider only because Arum and Floyd is involved in financing the fight,and HBO and the PPV company broadcast the fight.PPV gets half of the 200 mil which leaves 100 mil left for Floyd,Arum,and HBO to split.

The 40 mil Floyd offered Pac-juice was not bad at all,Maybe pacquiao deserved more who knows,and maybe he should have negotiated for more money.The problem lies in Pacquiao thinking he deserved 50% with Floyd which is asinine.Richard Scheafer said it himself,"Floyd spends about ten mil in promotional fees for his fights".Floyd is taking a financial risk by financing a promotion.While Pacquiao is not taking a financial risk.Had Pacquiao took the 50% offer FLoyd offered him and took the test,then e would have gotten 50% and the fight would have happened in 2010

And Floyd is past his prime,just because he`s dominating fighters that don't mean he`s still in his prime.Floyd`s been past his overall prime ever since the Dela hoya fight.That`s when i noticed that his legs was slowing down,plus Floyd`s natural weight is 130,that`s the weight class where he was a devastating puncher at.Even Floyd`s father insinuated Floyd is past his prime,Guerrero also said that Floyd legs slowed down a bit.People think because Floyd is still dominating fighters that he`s still in his prime,in which he`s not,he just isn't shot.