Comments Thread For: Roach Says Plan in Place For Sergio Martinez's Speed

[NearHypnos]

I know he's around manny and all, but I wonder if roach had a holy **** moment the last time he saw Sergio. like damn dude is faster than I thought!

He did in the chavez fight. He got interviewed in between rounds and said hes so much faster than he thought that he didnt know what to do or some crap like that.

[ColdBlooded]

Apparently Sergio is like some untouchable boxing deity. Everyone on NSB marvels at his Godlike skill. Yet Cotto's had a better career, he's younger, he's got better defense, he's got above average foot and hand speed, and he's clearly a better technical fighter. Sergio is a little faster (on NSB they'll tell you he can throw 120 punches a minute), little bit faster on his feet (not much, if you watch a split screen of Cotto-Marg II, and Martinez-Chavez you can see that foot speed wont be much of an issue for Cotto), Southpaw, very fast hands, not good defensively.

Both are very good counter punchers
both guys got pop

it's a competitive fight.
just not to NSB
but if history is any indication, NSB don't know **** about boxing. There are few in this forum who do.

I'm picking Cotto, not as a fan but as an observer of the sport. I just think Cotto's better.

Cotto's had a better career? That's debatable. On the one hand, he's beaten more top names. On the other, he's never been lineal champion in any division. He may be younger, but he's taken much more punishment. Better defense? Again, debatable. Cotto gets hit with more punches than does Martinez. Clearly a better technical fighter? Cotto was outboxed by the last two top ten fighters he faced. Martinez has beaten several skilled fighters. Martinez is a bit underrated in the technical department because of the way he drops his hands. Martinez is also better defensively than he's given credit for. Cotto can counter and box effectively, but it doesn't sound like that will be his gameplan, based on what Roach is saying. Cotto might hit hard at 140 and 147, but his power's been good at best at 154 and at 160, it certainly won't be what Chavez's and Pavlik's power were. Martinez has substantial advantages in height, reach, hand speed, power, chin, and stamina. What people aren't getting is that Cotto is not a middleweight. Cotto was getting hurt by the likes of Judah and Pacquiao. It took a full haymaker from a cruiserweight sized Chavez to hurt Martinez. I can't see Cotto hurting Martinez, but I can see Martinez easily hurting Cotto with the first power shot he lands.

[chepboxingking]

Double, triple jab to get close enough to land those haymakers to the body cotto is so great at. In fa t, this fight will finish from a devestating body shot cotto will land on martinez

[bloodyknuckles]

Cotto had problems with Margarito. He going to have a lot more problems with Sergio.

[thatdudespits]

Cotto's had a better career? That's debatable. On the one hand, he's beaten more top names. On the other, he's never been lineal champion in any division. He may be younger, but he's taken much more punishment. Better defense? Again, debatable. Cotto gets hit with more punches than does Martinez. Clearly a better technical fighter? Cotto was outboxed by the last two top ten fighters he faced. Martinez has beaten several skilled fighters. Martinez is a bit underrated in the technical department because of the way he drops his hands. Martinez is also better defensively than he's given credit for. Cotto can counter and box effectively, but it doesn't sound like that will be his gameplan, based on what Roach is saying. Cotto might hit hard at 140 and 147, but his power's been good at best at 154 and at 160, it certainly won't be what Chavez's and Pavlik's power were. Martinez has substantial advantages in height, reach, hand speed, power, chin, and stamina. What people aren't getting is that Cotto is not a middleweight. Cotto was getting hurt by the likes of Judah and Pacquiao. It took a full haymaker from a cruiserweight sized Chavez to hurt Martinez. I can't see Cotto hurting Martinez, but I can see Martinez easily hurting Cotto with the first power shot he lands.

Yes Cotto lost to Trout and Mayweather. It's very clear to me that Skill wise Mayweather is far superior to Martinez. Martinez hasn't faced either one of those guys and who knows if he beats either one. They'd be extremely tough fights, even for a God like Martinez . Power + speed is greater than power. Cotto does have the ability to hit martinez with shots he wont see coming. You'd be a fool to think Cotto will come in and recklessly pressure martinez. He'll be doing more than just one thing. I think Cotto's speed will bother Martinez more than the other way around as Martinez is not used to having speed coming back at him. Cotto is better defensively and I've already proved that through compubox on NSB. and Cotto has been in the ring with better competition throughout his career, hence the comment about Cotto's career. Lineal titles.... hmmmm.... Cotto's last defense at 140 was against undefeated Malignaggi. He then went on to beat an undefeated Quintana, Zab Judah, Urkal, and the legendary Shane Mosley. Thats one small run in a great career. As a lineal champ Martinez still hasn't faced the level of opposition Cotto has. Even coming up Cotto was matched tough. Cotto's expirience is at least a level above Martinez. This is a great fight. Most trainers and fighters think so. Just not the idiots on NSB.

[sportee01]

If it was for the money, he would of fought Canelo for the 10 million.

Great call bro!

[thatdudespits]

Cotto had problems with Margarito. He going to have a lot more problems with Sergio.

Sergio had bigger Margarito problems

"That was when he was still green"

Margarito was also younger.
Cotto did better against a better version of Margarito.
Won most of the rounds before the stoppage in the first fight.
won every round in the second fight.

"Martinez would KO Margarito post 2010"

We'll never know as Martinez never actively sought out a rematch.

[sportee01]

Yes Cotto lost to Trout and Mayweather. It's very clear to me that Skill wise Mayweather is far superior to Martinez. Martinez hasn't faced either one of those guys and who knows if he beats either one. They'd be extremely tough fights, even for a God like Martinez . Power + speed is greater than power. Cotto does have the ability to hit martinez with shots he wont see coming. You'd be a fool to think Cotto will come in and recklessly pressure martinez. He'll be doing more than just one thing. I think Cotto's speed will bother Martinez more than the other way around as Martinez is not used to having speed coming back at him. Cotto is better defensively and I've already proved that through compubox on NSB. and Cotto has been in the ring with better competition throughout his career, hence the comment about Cotto's career. Lineal titles.... hmmmm.... Cotto's last defense at 140 was against undefeated Malignaggi. He then went on to beat an undefeated Quintana, Zab Judah, Urkal, and the legendary Shane Mosley. Thats one small run in a great career. As a lineal champ Martinez still hasn't faced the level of opposition Cotto has. Even coming up Cotto was matched tough. Cotto's expirience is at least a level above Martinez. This is a great fight. Most trainers and fighters think so. Just not the idiots on NSB.

Yuuuuuuuup

[LouIE G]

Cotto had problems with Margarito. He going to have a lot more problems with Sergio.

Cotto dominated plasterito for 6 rounds until the bricks started taking its toll....in the second fight he whooped him again....martinez got beat early on in his career by plasterito..

[Tobi.G]

Cotto had problems with Margarito. He going to have a lot more problems with Sergio.

I dont think this version of Martinez can put the pressure on Cotto like Margarito or Pacquiao did. Cotto always had problems against strong pressure-fighters but Martinez is not like that. Hes a potshooter. And Martinez is not the guy anymore who knocked out Williams. Hes just above average now so Cotto has a decent shot, even though hes much smaller.