Why wont more people speak up? Rigondeaux is clearly the best boxer in the world

[fabie]

to me, not enough sampling rate or fights or big fights.......he is special but needs to be promoted more. Needs to have some actions, KOs and TKOs.

[BennyST]

He said cowardly style. He does fight with one takes 0 chances even when facing a far lesser fighter. Most of the other boxing style fighters will do something else and make an effort to go forward ...Rigo does not. He throws his kitten jab out 800 times and keeps back.

Really? This is exactly the kind of brainwashed bull**** that Arum has created. Rigo doesn't even throw the jab that much, yet ****heads around here spout typically NSB ignorant bull**** along the lines of "Rigo just runs away and throws jabs. Most boring fighter ever". At least watch a ****ing fight before you jump on your little **** wagon.

[BennyST]

to me, not enough sampling rate or fights or big fights.......he is special but needs to be promoted more. Needs to have some actions, KOs and TKOs.

Yeah, it's not a hard concept. Arum is just a petty bitter old ****. While he makes millions off fighters, he happily ruins someone's life without thought because of that pettiness and doesn't allow that fighter to make his own living.

[BennyST]

Wynton Marsalis might agree with you, since he's a champion of early jazz. But not me, my friend, oh, no, no, no. I completely disagree. I'll go all the way back to Bix Beiderbecke, Jelly Roll Morton, Satch and Duke, but I love me some Trane, Miles, Dexter Gordon, Horace Silver, Mingus, etc. What you might be thinking of is free jazz, which started in the early sixties. Not really my cup of tea, but I can actually deal with it in small doses. Then Miles introduced electric instruments with 1970's "Bitches Brew," which I love, but which started taking jazz into an unrecognizable realm. By the time "smooth jazz" arrived (which isn't really jazz at all), the genre was done as an art form. Now we have very few artists trying to keep jazz alive; but most of them have to travel back in time to an earlier sound, like Wynton.

Not really true at all. The LCJO is certainly doing very well, and have huge amounts funding and popularity, but jazz as an art form is still very much alive.

In fact, a legend of jazz that died recently said he still finds it amazing that when he was playing in the Bill Evans trio, supporting The Coltrane QUartet and other incredibly famous groups, they would have hardly anyone there, and that when he plays today the clubs are always full.

[Tom Cruise]

I'm ok with him not being a star. It just aint going to happen with his nationality, his style and his size.

So long as he can get fights against some of the top guys (and I do think fights with LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Martinez could happen eventually) then I dont care what network he fights on. As long as someone is there with a video camera so I can watch him dismantle other world class fighters i'll be happy.

What I dont want is some chump to come through and start claiming they are the top dog without fighting Rigo

[Pain~Lucy]

And you're gonna let HBO + Showtime kick him off their networks and stage bum fights instead?

maybe you can sponsor rigo, or call your entire clan to watch him.......oh wait

[CubanGuyNYC]

Not really true at all. The LCJO is certainly doing very well, and have huge amounts funding and popularity, but jazz as an art form is still very much alive.

In fact, a legend of jazz that died recently said he still finds it amazing that when he was playing in the Bill Evans trio, supporting The Coltrane QUartet and other incredibly famous groups, they would have hardly anyone there, and that when he plays today the clubs are always full.

Lincoln Center is a cultural institution, where artsy, well-healed, highbrow types converge to keep dying musical art-forms alive. I don't consider myself any of the above, but I have attended several operas at the Met and several classical performances at Avery Fischer Hall (all at Lincoln Center). The fact that Wynton sells out at LC means nothing, as far as I'm concerned. It's the smaller clubs that tell the tale.

I used to frequent a great little jazz club on 103 St and Broadway a number of years ago. The place was called "Smoke." The owner would always challenge me to a chess game every time I walked in the door. (I don't think he ever beat me. lol) Lamentably, "Smoke" shut its doors after a couple of years. They just couldn't bring in enough jazz lovers. I suspect the same can be said about most small jazz joints that give it a go.

Other indicators are recordings and record sales. Jazz just isn't recorded as often as it used to be, and sales are dismal. As one artist manager once remarked to me, "I don't mess with jazz, there's no money in it." I don't know which jazz legend you're referring to, and far be it from me to disagree with his observation, but I can only imagine that his impression is that of a big name experiencing what few others in his field do. As you specified, the clubs were always full when he played.

Anyway, jazz is obviously still alive; but it's dying because there just isn't sufficient interest in it. Just as importantly, the art form is dying because it hit an evolutionary dead-end. Once anything stops growing, it starts dying. Jazz stopped growing long ago. Most musicians now reach back into the past to record new takes on old compositions, or fashion new music on old sub-genres. The one saving grace, as far as I'm concerned, at least, is that there are plenty of old recordings that I've yet to experience. I doubt I'll outlive the extensive catalogue of jazz history.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Really? This is exactly the kind of brainwashed bull**** that Arum has created. Rigo doesn't even throw the jab that much, yet ****heads around here spout typically NSB ignorant bull**** along the lines of "Rigo just runs away and throws jabs. Most boring fighter ever". At least watch a ****ing fight before you jump on your little **** wagon.

I'm ok with him not being a star. It just aint going to happen with his nationality, his style and his size.

So long as he can get fights against some of the top guys (and I do think fights with LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Martinez could happen eventually) then I dont care what network he fights on. As long as someone is there with a video camera so I can watch him dismantle other world class fighters i'll be happy.

What I dont want is some chump to come through and start claiming they are the top dog without fighting Rigo

Back to boxing: Yes, I do believe that Rigo will always find an audience with boxing fans who appreciate authentic quality when they see it. "El Chacal" is a special fighter, the kind that comes along once every couple of decades. People can keep consuming the same sub-par, yet exciting (to them) product. I don't want to miss someone who's likely to be remembered long after the more popular types are forgotten.

[brettWall]

People need to change their standard about what a good boxer consist of. How can you rate him best when he has no offense and so afraid to take risks? He's one dimensional. If his next fight is another sleep inducing fight, he needs to disappear from this sport. He doesn't belong in this business.

[Seiko]

Rigondeaux is clearly one of the top 5 best in the sport, and I don't like that he is being shunned/blacklisted or whatever. That is the power of the network however and if he doesn't produce the ratings they want for his pay I guess it is the only thing they can do. I would suggest putting him in with someone who would at least come to him and give him the opportunity to create the type of action they want, not another Agbeko type. Putting him in with someone I think that could at least threaten him would produce those ratings they want.