De La Hoya's greatness should up there with Roy Jones'

[BoxingGenius27]

No doubt, but my point is that oscar took on the kingpin Hopkins,, jones looked for an easy target,, he never fought Lennox Lewis

The Lewis fight was an impossible one.

I get your point, but when Oscar fought Hopkins, the weight difference was maybe 15 lbs at most.

If RJJ would've fought Lewis, the weight difference would've been 50-60 lbs which is an impossible fight.

Come on SAA, you knew this at the time.

Don't get me wrong, Oscar took on great challenges and fought all comers, but you can't compare him fighting Hopkins to RJJ fight Lennox Lewis.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Because Oscar was the Golden Boy; Literally.

When he won the gold in the olympics that really set his career off; similar to SRL. Oscar also had the looks to match his skills. The women loved him and so did the media.

RJJ and Ward never got this type treatment post olympics; neither did Mayweather.

Oscar was really the last U.S boxer to win gold and hit it big immediately into his pro career

Wasn't Roy the best fighter of the 88 games, and his screwing by judges caused Olympic scoring to be changed...

Fact is Roy never took the big fights,, he fought one big fight in the 90s,, oscar fought countless...
4 years deep in Roy's career his best wins were vaca and Castro, no titles.. Oscar 4 years deep was PPv headlining vs Chavez and had already curb stomped leija, genero, Molina, ruelas,

Roy had every opportunity that oscar had, Roy just didn't chase big fights, oscar basically took every big fight imaginable,, dude fought undefeated prime Ike, Tito, Shane in less than 18 months,,, unbelievable

[BoxingGenius27]

Wasn't Roy the best fighter of the 88 games, and his screwing by judges caused Olympic scoring to be changed...

Fact is Roy never took the big fights,, he fought one big fight in the 90s,, oscar fought countless...
4 years deep in Roy's career his best wins were vaca and Castro, no titles.. Oscar 4 years deep was PPv headlining vs Chavez and had already curb stomped leija, genero, Molina, ruelas,

Roy had every opportunity that oscar had, Roy just didn't chase big fights, oscar basically took every big fight imaginable,, dude fought undefeated prime Ike, Tito, Shane in less than 18 months,,, unbelievable

Roy was robbed in the olympics and left with Bronze... No he didn't get the same notoriety Oscar got heading into his pro career.

Which big fights are you referring too?

The ones in the UK that no one asked for?

Oscar had a bigger fan base than Roy. No question about it. But that doesn't mean that RJJ didn't whoop everyone in his path over a 15 year period.

You're confusing bigger fan base with better fight selection, which isn't true.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Because Oscar was the Golden Boy; Literally.

When he won the gold in the olympics that really set his career off; similar to SRL. Oscar also had the looks to match his skills. The women loved him and so did the media.

RJJ and Ward never got this type treatment post olympics; neither did Mayweather.

Oscar was really the last U.S boxer to win gold and hit it big immediately into his pro career

There was hype with Ward and even more after the Super Six. However, that momentum has been dying. He hasn't really done much since after. Froch is doing most of the work in the weight class, Ward is doing it to himself.

Oscar kept that momentum going in his career most of the time.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Roy was robbed in the olympics and left with Bronze... No he didn't get the same notoriety Oscar got heading into his pro career.

Which big fights are you referring too?

The ones in the UK that no one asked for?

Oscar had a bigger fan base than Roy. No question about it. But that doesn't mean that RJJ didn't whoop everyone in his path over a 15 year period.

You're confusing bigger fan base with better fight selection, which isn't true.

Oscar did have a better fight selection.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The Lewis fight was an impossible one.

I get your point, but when Oscar fought Hopkins, the weight difference was maybe 15 lbs at most.

If RJJ would've fought Lewis, the weight difference would've been 50-60 lbs which is an impossible fight.

Come on SAA, you knew this at the time.

Don't get me wrong, Oscar took on great challenges and fought all comers, but you can't compare him fighting Hopkins to RJJ fight Lennox Lewis.

True about Lewis,,, and to be honest Lewis wasn't very keen on it either..

But look at Roy's history....
Mw title, didn't fight g-man or another established champ,,, fought for a vacant title vs a philly club fighter
SMW he fought toney, that's legit, but he needed a name win to become a superstar,, never fought any other champs at 168
175 fought an ancient jr middle, and then a bunch of paper champs
Heavy fought slow plodder Ruiz

But I just can't defend Roy when his whole career he never took big fights..
He had to take one to become a star and that was toney,, before and after was nothing... And then when his long term hbo contract ran out, and he had to fight tough fights for his usual money, he got owned by tarver

[BoxingGenius27]

There was hype with Ward and even more after the Super Six. However, that momentum has been dying. He hasn't really done much since after. Froch is doing most of the work in the weight class, Ward is doing it to himself.

Oscar kept that momentum going in his career most of the time.

There was hype for Ward within the hardcore boxing circles, that's about it, but it NEVER and I mean NEVER touched the momentum Oscar had post olympics.

I think Oscar was fighting for the title in his 7th fight or something like that. Going off memory, he was on PPV by like his 12th fight or 13th fight.

No question, Oscar had the bigger stardom/fan base similar to that of SRL post the Olympics. RJJ, Mayweather, Hopkins, ect. you name them, never got that type of fan support post Olympics that Oscar did.

[BoxingGenius27]

True about Lewis,,, and to be honest Lewis wasn't very keen on it either..

But look at Roy's history....
Mw title, didn't fight g-man or another established champ,,, fought for a vacant title vs a philly club fighter
SMW he fought toney, that's legit, but he needed a name win to become a superstar,, never fought any other champs at 168
175 fought an ancient jr middle, and then a bunch of paper champs
Heavy fought slow plodder Ruiz

But I just can't defend Roy when his whole career he never took big fights..
He had to take one to become a star and that was toney,, before and after was nothing... And then when his long term hbo contract ran out, and he had to fight tough fights for his usual money, he got owned by tarver

We've talked for a total of maybe 20 pages on this subject. I know your stance and you know mine.

[BoxingGenius27]

Oscar did have a better fight selection.

I think everything Oscar touched, whether it was a big fight or small fight, was Golden.

If RJJ was Oscar, his fight with James Toney would've broke PPV records.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Roy was robbed in the olympics and left with Bronze... No he didn't get the same notoriety Oscar got heading into his pro career.

Which big fights are you referring too?

The ones in the UK that no one asked for?

Oscar had a bigger fan base than Roy. No question about it. But that doesn't mean that RJJ didn't whoop everyone in his path over a 15 year period.

You're confusing bigger fan base with better fight selection, which isn't true.

Forget the uk fights,, what about domestic champs like g-man, liles, both guys had amateur wins over jones, both champs

And funny how fighters before and after Roy landed uk fights, but somehow with Roy it doesn't matter,,,
Hopkins calzaghe
Floyd hatton
G-man benn
Hagler minter
Tyson Bruno
Oscar sturm
Srr Turpin
Louis schmelling
Lennox vitali

Long list of big fights in history of boxing, but Roy defenders act like no fights could be made with benn, Eubanks, Collins, michlewski when clearly history shows that fights like that get made and are usually huge moneymakers
And what about the domestic champs,,, Roy chose Brannon over unification with liles,,, that's when I truly realized that Roy is smoke and mirrors