Sergio Martinez and the disrespect!

[ColdBlooded]

And..... the b-side against MC. /thread

Cotto should be more appreciative of the undeserved shot at the middleweight crown he is getting. Would he rather fight for a paper belt against Quillin (who he might actually beat)?

[MisterHardtop]

Except he lost to Murray.

Not even Martin Murray believes he won the fight. He has acknowledged, on a number of occasions, the he did not push for it enough in the championship rounds, which is exactly why Martinez won. He was just busier and controlled more segments of the bout. Having said that, Murray gave the great champion a tough fight but the great champion was hurting, recovering from a broken hand and a poorly healed knee.

Martin Murray - undefeated

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr - undefeated

Matthew Macklin

Darren Barker - undefeated

Serhiy Dzinziruk - undefeated

Paul Williams - Most feared man in boxing at the time

Kelly Pavlik - Great all around fighter

Just counting the last 3-4 opponents, this is not a guy who is a FLUKE, not a guy who is a bum, who is over rated.

All of those opponents are stiff competition or higher.

There are no Joshua Clotteys, Old Shane Mosleys, Bum Bum Rios, Guerreros or Baldomirs on this mans recent record.

How can this man not get his respect?

I wholeheartedly agree, Martinez is the greatest middleweight since Hopkins, surpassing both Taylor and Pavlik. His list of challengers at the 160lb limit has been better than 90% of what the great Hopkins did at the weight. Martinez is a brilliant fighter, fast, fluid, powerful and extremely smart. There is no doubt in my mind, that if Martinez is 100% fit, he will beat anyone from welterweight to super middleweight.

[El Angel]

Cotto should be more appreciative of the undeserved shot at the middleweight crown he is getting. Would he rather fight for a paper belt against Quillin (who he might actually beat)?

Sergio must also appreciate getting his shot at the A-list he always craved, but was denied for their fear of losing.

[T18Z]

Not even Martin Murray believes he won the fight. He has acknowledged, on a number of occasions, the he did not push for it enough in the championship rounds, which is exactly why Martinez won. He was just busier and controlled more segments of the bout. Having said that, Murray gave the great champion a tough fight but the great champion was hurting, recovering from a broken hand and a poorly healed knee.



I wholeheartedly agree, Martinez is the greatest middleweight since Hopkins, surpassing both Taylor and Pavlik. His list of challengers at the 160lb limit has been better than 90% of what the great Hopkins did at the weight. Martinez is a brilliant fighter, fast, fluid, powerful and extremely smart. There is no doubt in my mind, that if Martinez is 100% fit, he will beat anyone from welterweight to super middleweight.

Cool story.

[MisterHardtop]

Cool story.

Who do you see beating Martinez the same Martinez that rattled Pavlik, brutalised Williams and battered Chavez Jr, at welterweight? Or how about light-middle? At middleweight, there is only one legitimate challenger left, a certain Gennady Golovkin and he only beats the champion if Martinez is no longer the fighter he once was.

Who at super-middle can possibly beat a prime Martinez? Possibly Andre Ward but even then, Martinez hold advantages in speed, movement and most probably power. Carl Froch? He would get countered constantly but again, it's a close fight. Outside of those two men, there is no one else.

Do you really believe fighters like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Alvarez and co could beat Martinez? Or even be competitive?

[ColdBlooded]

Who do you see beating Martinez the same Martinez that rattled Pavlik, brutalised Williams and battered Chavez Jr, at welterweight? Or how about light-middle? At middleweight, there is only one legitimate challenger left, a certain Gennady Golovkin and he only beats the champion if Martinez is no longer the fighter he once was.

Who at super-middle can possibly beat a prime Martinez? Possibly Andre Ward but even then, Martinez hold advantages in speed, movement and most probably power. Carl Froch? He would get countered constantly but again, it's a close fight. Outside of those two men, there is no one else.

Do you really believe fighters like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Alvarez and co could beat Martinez? Or even be competitive?

Andre Ward would obviously be the favorite over Martinez. How Martinez would do at 168 depends on how well his power carried up. That said, it doesn't matter because Martinez isn't ever moving up. He's defending his middleweight crown.