Did Pacquiao not deserve at least 1 win against Marquez?

[Bushbaby]

Except the scores were split 50-50 on who won. So that's not the least bit true.

Not in the 3rd fight they weren't.

[Porter's Dad]

The first one. JMM did magnificently to come back but the deficit from the KDs was too much. Contrary to popular belief, Pac did not get schooled for 11 rounds afterwards - he won enough rounds back to win a decision.

Second one was a close but clear JMM win.

The 3rd was either a draw or very close JMM win (as another poster has already said, the perception of that fight is skewed because Juan was viewed as such an underdog. In reality, neither looked that good or convincing and if you score it round by round, it was extremely close)

4th was a bona fide boxing classic, and the right man ultimately prevailed in this great rivalry.

[Strategic1]

Yea, the 3rd fight, I had it as a draw too. And agree that perception had a lot to do with it. Manny was supposed to crush him but didn't. And the pro JMM crowd booing also factored in.

It was a draw in my books and JMM easing up and letting PAC take control late in the fight didn't help him his cause.

JMM scored a lot more clean, crisp power shots earlier on especially in the 1st 6 rounds. But I had PAC winning a majority of the latter rounds.

[J The UnBiased]

The 1st 2 could go either way. Me personally, I have never seen Manny Pacquiao win a fight against Marquez. But that's my personal opinion. Others see the 1st 2 fights differently. As far as 3 & 4, indisputable victories. A blind man could call those.

[bojangles1987]

Not in the 3rd fight they weren't.

Yes they were.

Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw.

Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113 Marquez
Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com: 116-113 Marquez
Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
Chris Williams, ************.com: 117-111 Marquez
Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 115-113Marquez
Dan Ambrose, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
Gerardo Granados, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114 Draw
Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
Justin Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
Doveed Linder, **********.com: 114-114 Draw
Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
Cliff Rold, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Glen Anglin, ************.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
Jake Donovan, BoxingScene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Anthony Lee, ************.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
John McCormick, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/*********.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Danny Serratelli, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
Scott Shaffer, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Jason Peck, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
Stephen Edwards, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Ben Weisman, ************.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Madra Uladh, ********Boxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
"Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Greg Leon, **********.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
Darrell La Montre, **********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

[Strategic1]

Thanks for posting the scores. The tern "robbery" is foolish to be used in describing JMM-Pac 3. Please save that crap for real robberies like PAC Bradley 1.

They were both past prime. Yet, PAC was more of a complete fighter at this point. And JMM has always had the style to give PAC problems.

I still think the best fight to highlight this matchup is PAC-JMM 2. They were both prime. And there's a case to be made for either fighter winning the fight.

PAC-JMM 1...PAC was a 1 dimensional fighter back then.

[New England]

fights one and two could have easily gone to pacquiao.


the fourth fight could have easily gone to manny if marquez had just let him finish his nap on the canvas.

[bojangles1987]

Thanks for posting the scores. The tern "robbery" is foolish to be used in describing JMM-Pac 3. Please save that crap for real robberies like PAC Bradley 1.

They were both past prime. Yet, PAC was more of a complete fighter at this point. And JMM has always had the style to give PAC problems.

I still think the best fight to highlight this matchup is PAC-JMM 2. They were both prime. And there's a case to be made for either fighter winning the fight.

PAC-JMM 1...PAC was a 1 dimensional fighter back then.

Pac/Marquez 2 is one of my 5 favorite fights and the most even fight I've ever seen.

[M Bison]

i scored all 4 fights for the pacman. people love a good underdog story thats why they pretend marquez won. this aint rocky! this is reality! 4-0 pacman

Pretty much, Marquez fans still think the Bradley fight was close LMAO!!

[Rome-By-Ko]

I have it a draw..I gave Manny the first and second fight..I gave Marquez the third fight and he won by KO the last time..Pac vs Marquez are a match mad in heaven..TBH outside of the last fight all the other ones could have went either way..Great fights..