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  • IronDanHamza
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    #31
    Originally posted by Cupo303
    Sure, on paper he may be his best win.

    But skill vs skill, Sillkah was his best win, hence why I said BIG RISK VS LOW REWARD. The fact that you don't think it's his best win should tell you that it was a low reward fight. It proves my point. Sillkah hasn't accomplished anything yet everyone recognized his potential.

    For all we know, Sillkah could have been boxing his ear off for 10 rounds and won the fight. Or Kovalev barely winning by coming from behind and scoring a KO, which would have damaged his reputation.
    What kind of logic is this? It's not his best win. Many considered it to be taking a lamb to slaughter including myself.

    It wasn't high risk because "People thought this guy had potential before he got knocked out by an fringe contender".

    We knew his chins quite poor thus Kovalev was likely to blast him out early. Which he did.

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      #32
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      What kind of logic is this? It's not his best win. Many considered it to be taking a lamb to slaughter including myself.

      It wasn't high risk because "People thought this guy had potential before he got knocked out by an fringe contender".

      We knew his chins quite poor thus Kovalev was likely to blast him out early. Which he did.
      The logic comes from perception. And perception is reality. Sillkah had the same variation of hype on these boards as some of the new-comers.

      Sure, in hindsight we can talk about Sillkah because he got exposed on ESPN Friday Night fights. And we all know how quickly fans can downgrade a fighter after he is "exposed". Still, the skills of Boxing were still there and if Kovalev wasn't what some of us think he is, Sillkah could've avoided any chin issues and gave him a Boxing lesson. It was a risky fight in that he stood to gain nothing, but could've suffered a setback if he wasn't on his game.

      Think of Morales Vs Zaheer Raheem to give you an idea. Or Louie Collazo Vs Ricky Hatton (Ricky barely avoided disaster, and the Floyd/Manny fights would've never took place).

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        #33
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza

        We knew his chins quite poor thus Kovalev was likely to blast him out early. .
        The the way, chin issues have nothing to do with the way he got blasted out. If Kovalev lands the exact same, brutal punches on Hopkins, B-Hop will go down and most likely not get back up.

        Can Kovalev land those type of punches on B-Hop is the question?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Cupo303
          The logic comes from perception. And perception is reality. Sillkah had the same variation of hype on these boards as some of the new-comers.

          Sure, in hindsight we can talk about Sillkah because he got exposed on ESPN Friday Night fights. And we all know how quickly fans can downgrade a fighter after he is "exposed". Still, the skills of Boxing were still there and if Kovalev wasn't what some of us think he is, Sillkah could've avoided any chin issues and gave him a Boxing lesson. It was a risky fight in that he stood to gain nothing, but could've suffered a setback if he wasn't on his game.

          Think of Morales Vs Zaheer Raheem to give you an idea. Or Louie Collazo Vs Ricky Hatton (Ricky barely avoided disaster, and the Floyd/Manny fights would've never took place).
          Perception's not reality.

          What difference does it make he had some hype on these boards before he was knocked out by a fringe contender? What you're saying would make sense if they fought before that but they didn't.

          Sillakh wasn't a risky fight. Not in my eyes and not in many other peoples eyes. It was a fight where as soon as Kovalev lands a punch then Sillakh's likely in trouble.

          You're saying it was a risky fight because Sillakh "Could have outboxed him for all we know" What does that even mean? We know what happened, he knocked him out quickly like many people were expecting.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Cupo303
            The the way, chin issues have nothing to do with the way he got blasted out. If Kovalev lands the exact same, brutal punches on Hopkins, B-Hop will go down and most likely not get back up.

            Can Kovalev land those type of punches on B-Hop is the question?
            Well, yes it does obviously.

            Unlikely Kovalev knocks Hopkins out early because he's got a good chin and a proven chin. So if/when Kovalev lands he'll likely be able to weather the early storm.

            Sillakh's doesn't have a good chin so there's a good chance when Kovalev inevitably lands on him that he's going over, which he did.

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              #36
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              Perception's not reality.

              What difference does it make he had some hype on these boards before he was knocked out by a fringe contender? What you're saying would make sense if they fought before that but they didn't.

              Sillakh wasn't a risky fight. Not in my eyes and not in many other peoples eyes. It was a fight where as soon as Kovalev lands a punch then Sillakh's likely in trouble.

              You're saying it was a risky fight because Sillakh "Could have outboxed him for all we know" What does that even mean? We know what happened, he knocked him out quickly like many people were expecting.
              It was Malignaggie Vs Cotto-esque. Overall, the vast majority of people favored Cotto for that fight and didn't look at Malignaggie as some A-level Boxing technician. But Cotto was still unproven at that point and some thought that a guy like Malignaggie was enough to box circles around him and win on points. The perception was that Cotto hasn't seen any movers yet who use their legs and box. I'm pretty sure that was the perception with Kovalev, who in 2013 was still a relative new-comer and a unknown.

              This is what I thought leading up to the Sillkah bout:


              Last edited by cupocity303; 03-05-2014, 08:11 PM.

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                #37
                About Kovalev's resume...

                This:


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                  #38
                  Very close to Stevensons resume...

                  I rate Cleverly and Campillo above Cloud and Bellew

                  Sillakh was a pretty good win (the way he won it, and the opponent wasn't bad)

                  For Stevenson, it's the Dawson fight thats the decider really. He KO'd him in 1 round, coming off a weight-drained performance against Ward.... it's hard to tell how good that win actually was despite the titles at stake.

                  We also have to take into account Stevenson was TKO'd by Boone, albeit an avenged loss.

                  Very close....

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by MDPopescu
                    About Kovalev's resume...

                    This:


                    Is there a point to this post?

                    What's this got to do with his resume?

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Cupo303
                      It was Malignaggie Vs Cotto-esque. Overall, the vast majority of people favored Cotto for that fight and didn't look at Malignaggie as some A-level Boxing technician. But Cotto was still unproven at that point and some thought that a guy like Malignaggie was enough to box circles around him and win on points. The perception was that Cotto hasn't seen any movers yet who use their legs and box. I'm pretty sure that was the perception with Kovalev, who in 2013 was still a relative new-comer and a unknown.

                      This is what I thought leading up to the Sillkah bout:


                      http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=619785
                      Wasn't Maliganggi Cotto esque. Many people weren't expecting Malignaggi to get knocked out quickly.

                      And I think Campillo is pretty close to a mover who boxes and uses his legs atleast similar to Sillakh. Not got much of a chin like Sillakh either.

                      And just because you thought it would be a risky fight doesn't mean it was. Like I said a large amount of people expecting Sillakh to get knocked out.

                      Wasn't a risky fight.

                      Campillio was a risky fight going in, hell, Cleverly was a risky fight going in. Sillakh was not.

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