Get Mayweather To England....

[oldgringo]

Is there any real reason why you object to England as a location?

Me personally? No not really. I feel like some people who really love Mayweather are objecting because they feel England is an unsafe advantage in Hattons favor.

I could care less wheree the fight happened I just think it would happen here as opposed to there.

These guys should fight in africa with jay nady as ref.

[JuicyJuice]

There's no way that Ricky will let the fight happen outside of America! It's his dream.

[EXIGE]

Hey Exige. 'Tard here.

You may not be aware of a little something called a time difference. Yes. A time difference. Since the earth revolves around the sun and different parts of the earth get exposed to daylight at different times, we are required to assign something called "time zones".

You see, England is FIVE hours ahead of the east coast and EIGHT hours ahead of the west coast. That is why Kostya Tszyu had to fight at 2am Manchester local time. Jeff Lacy is doing the same thing.

Now, neither Lacy nor Tszyu are PPV stand-alones on their own. But PBF believes he is, and his promotional team is casting and marketing him as such.

So, you are asking him to fight at 2am Manchester time so that the fight can be shown in Vegas and LA at 5pm-ish on a Saturday afternoon. Does that seem appealing to you? A 3pm broadcast time in Los Angeles with a 6pm main event will result in WAY lower PPV buys. Us hardcore fans are still in. The casual fan? Ehhh, not so much.

Also, you may or may not be aware of this (I learned it in ****** school). Casinos in the US pay what is called a "site fee" to help finance a fight. For example, the Mandalay Bay has paid up to $10 million for a DelaHoya fight. They also do ticket guarantees where they buy a certain number of the high priced tickets. That minimizes a promoter's risk. The casinos are willing to do that knowing that they will sell rooms, meals and make a bundle back in the casinos. Notice how table minimums always increase on fight weekends.

Lastly (and I would have thought that you knew this already being the genius that you are), the main money in a megafight comes NOT from the arena capacity, but from PPV buys. If an arena holds 20,000 vs 12,000... big whoop. Selling an extra 10,000 tickets at $100 each is only a million of revenue. It is FAR more important to focus on getting your PPV buys up from 350,000 to 450,000, for example. That amounts to an incremental four point five mil of revenue. Surprised that math escaped you. The biggest non-heavyweight fight was ODLH/Trinidad. That was at Mandalay Bay Events Center.

I know I said "lastly" above. I lied. By having one of their contracted boxers fight overseas, HBO puts substantial licensing rights at risk. International broadcast rights are complicated and HBO would undoubtedly have to share revenues with British broadcasting partners who own the infrastructure.

Boy, Exige... really wish I was as knowledgeable as you are about the boxing business.

Well done you raised 4 irrelevant points. Im gonna buy you a sticker that says "top tard".

Time gap - Mayweather trains over here for a month, and is scheduled like every other major fight that happens over here in terms of when it happens in the day. That point is gone.

Casino subsidies - Frank Warren didnt have any problem raising money for the Hatton-KT fight. That point is gone.

PPV Buys - Totally irrelevant, why did you mention it? This fight sells alone regardless of whether it is in the UK or America. If you add the fact that the Arena is bigger onto that, you officially lose, since revenue will be larger here than America... That point is gone.

Shared Revenues - Happens all the time, so why did you raise this? Over here SkySports covers boxing for those who have subscribed to Sky... over there HBO make it a PPV. That point is gone.

[EXIGE]

Me personally? No not really. I feel like some people who really love Mayweather are objecting because they feel England is an unsafe advantage in Hattons favor.

I could care less wheree the fight happened I just think it would happen here as opposed to there.

These guys should fight in africa with jay nady as ref.

Good post .

[DUPLICITY]

Well done you raised 4 irrelevant points. Im gonna buy you a sticker that says "top tard".

Time gap - Mayweather trains over here for a month, and is scheduled like every other major fight that happens over here in terms of when it happens in the day. That point is gone.

Casino subsidies - Frank Warren didnt have any problem raising money for the Hatton-KT fight. That point is gone.

PPV Buys - Totally irrelevant, why did you mention it? This fight sells alone regardless of whether it is in the UK or America. If you add the fact that the Arena is bigger onto that, you officially lose, since revenue will be larger here than America... That point is gone.

Shared Revenues - Happens all the time, so why did you raise this? Over here SkySports covers boxing for those who have subscribed to Sky... over there HBO make it a PPV. That point is gone.

Name me the big fights that were staged in England and their PPV numbers.

Since you are touting "every other major fight". What major PPv fights are you talking about??? I KNOW you aren't comparing the relative magnitudes of Hatton-Tszyu '05 to Hatton-Mayweather '06 ?!?! SURELY you aren't doing that?!


Do you think that PBF, who fought Bruseles for 3 million, Gatti for 3+ million and Mitchell for 4 million, and is scheduled to fight Judah for 6 million is going to take Kostya Tszyu money?

You didn't address a SINGLE point with a fact. Every response was "do it like they always do". Always do what?? What major fights are you referring to? What megafights have been staged there? List them.

Floyd is an HBO contracted fighter. Why would HBO take a PORTION of the money from SKY when they can broadcast the fight themselves at the Mandalay Bay or MGM and make Sky PAY THEM a licensing fee? There is a reason why HBO has been overpaying PBF for "easy work". To reap future rewards. Not to give the revenues away to green-toothed Brits.


You are truly 'bery bery stoopid.'...but please: tell me about all the mega-fights you are referring to.

[DUPLICITY]

Hatton fights Mayweather here...I don't see why this is debated so much.

The fight will happen, it'll be a good fight either way. America is where the big time fights happen, I know that is close mided or whathaveyou but it's the way it is often times.

Mayweather has faced Castillo and Corrales when they were both absolute killers...theres nothing more scary about Hatton right now than there was with those guys several years ago. He's fought the best in his career, even though he's seemingly fighting powder puffs right now. Fights gonna happen though, not in MEN however.

Gringo... There ya go making sense again.

You know that is gonna make Exige's head spin. Facts scare him.

[EXIGE]

Name me the big fights that were staged in England and their PPV numbers.

Since you are touting "every other major fight". What major PPv fights are you talking about??? I KNOW you aren't comparing the relative magnitudes of Hatton-Tszyu '05 to Hatton-Mayweather '06 ?!?! SURELY you aren't doing that?!


Do you think that PBF, who fought Bruseles for 3 million, Gatti for 3+ million and Mitchell for 4 million, and is scheduled to fight Judah for 6 million is going to take Kostya Tszyu money?

You didn't address a SINGLE point with a fact. Every response was "do it like they always do". Always do what?? What major fights are you referring to? What megafights have been staged there? List them.

Floyd is an HBO contracted fighter. Why would HBO take a PORTION of the money from SKY when they can broadcast the fight themselves at the Mandalay Bay or MGM and make Sky PAY THEM a licensing fee? There is a reason why HBO has been overpaying PBF for "easy work". To reap future rewards. Not to give the revenues away to green-toothed Brits.


You are truly 'bery bery stoopid.'...but please: tell me about all the mega-fights you are referring to.

When it comes to the HBO and SkySports relationship, I am sure that is done on a contract which is written up before any fight have even take place. HBO pay for the stream from SkySports anyway, and then use their own commentary team etc. etc.

As for the big fights over here? You even mentioned one yourself. Hatton-KT, soon we will have Lacy-Calzaghe, and when Tyson has fought over here it has always been a sell out. Then of course we have the little rivalries which have gone in within the UK. Benn-Eubank, Benn-McClellan, Eubank-Watson.... there have been some major fights in the UK.

Come on, you have xtreme bxin nawledge, you should be listing them.....

[EXIGE]

Gringo... There ya go making sense again.

You know that is gonna make Exige's head spin. Facts scare him.

Which facts do you speak of, lol.

He presented no facts in that post, other than the ones about Castillo and Corrales, thus unrelated, thus not "scaring" me...

Go figure, ****ing fool.

[DUPLICITY]

When it comes to the HBO and SkySports relationship, I am sure that is done on a contract which is written up before any fight have even take place. HBO pay for the stream from SkySports anyway, and then use their own commentary team etc. etc.

As for the big fights over here? You even mentioned one yourself. Hatton-KT, soon we will have Lacy-Calzaghe, and when Tyson has fought over here it has always been a sell out. Then of course we have the little rivalries which have gone in within the UK. Benn-Eubank, Benn-McClellan, Eubank-Watson.... there have been some major fights in the UK.

Come on, you have xtreme bxin nawledge, you should be listing them.....

There you are. Your inability to list all of the mega-fights held in England is justified. There really weren't any.

It isn't an "England" thing, so don't get your panties in a wad. It is purely economics of the American market for the reasons I listed. Sorry, Hatton/Tszyu was not a megafight. Tszyu never developed a big fan base, and RH's fan base jumped exponentially here in the states AFTER his Tszyu and Maussa wins.


Do you remember the "Golden Age" when big fights were held internationally? The Thrilla in Manila? The Rumble in the Jungle? Foreman/Frazier in Kingston? Foreman/Norton in Venezuela? You just can't do that anymore because the economics don't work in our current financial and legal structure. The evolution of PPV and the broadcast rights pretty much restrict it. Unfortunately. I watched that DVD of the pre-fight to Rumble in the Jungle and it was exotic and stirring.

The mega-fights work for America. We DO steal all of the British television ideas, however.

Duplicity making sense??

[alt10ate]

there are reasons floyd wont fight hatton in the uk and you know what they are. HATTON has been the one to publicly state that he does not want to fight floyd right now, and floyd said he would take hatton on as long as its not in the uk becuase the ref's and judges would suck hattons nuts (those are not floyds words)

EXTIGE sed gayweather to choose the ref and a judge can be american, you dont even read!!

maywether is ducking hatton?