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I like Danny Garcia, but he will be out boxed by any decent mover

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  • #31
    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
    Garcia's consistent right hand to the body would f*** with manny. He hasn't fought anyone with the ability to consistently put a right hand downstairs since Morales. There's a reason for that.

    Plus manny's legs are becoming shot. He leg issues come up frequently. The earliest a Garcia fight could happen is likely the latter half of 2015. I imagine manny's legs to be completely gone by then. With his weakened legs he can't do all that pivoting to take advantage of Garcia's flat feet. Garcia would counter the hell out of him.

    Garcia is smart enough to know that incorporating some movement would befuddle manny. he showed the ability versus Lucas, who happens to be better than manny at cutting a ring off

    Lastly, Garcia's right hand comes from a variety of angles. Marquez caught manny by varying the angle on his right.

    manny has a better chance against someone like Thurman or Porter.
    consistent right hand to the body wont get him anywhere
    morales gave pacquiao trouble because of his stiff jab, it broke up everything pacquiao was doing, garcia hasn't shown a jab anywhere near that level, or much of a jab at all really

    if anyone is open to getting wrecked to the body it is garcia with pacquiao's straight left

    and he can throw winging right hands randomly, looping here, straight there, all he wants, but he hasn't shown to put as much thought into them as marquez, marquez's rights take a good amount of rounds to set-up, also dont think garcia's right is as good as marquez's

    also note the more people throw at pacquiao usually the more they get the stuffing beat out of them

    his movement can help him last longer but i doubt he wins the fight on it

    and lastly i think thurman or porter have a very good chance of beating or stopping(thurman) pacquiao

    garcia just gets his ass kicked

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    • #32
      garcia beats pacquiao IMHO those wide hooks will have pacquiao on the canvas fast

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Unseen View Post
        Theopane and Morales 1. He has improved in terms of confidence, but watching who he has fought in terms of how they fought him recently has played into his hands.
        Well I think you've got Ray Charles syndrome if you don't think he's improved since the morales or Theophane fight (when he was 20/21!!) I've been a critic of him in the past but I gotta give him credit, he makes a living shutting up his critics..

        I'm done betting against swift, May and Pac are the only guys that I would be certain he'd get beat by!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          consistent right hand to the body wont get him anywhere
          morales gave pacquiao trouble because of his stiff jab, it broke up everything pacquiao was doing, garcia hasn't shown a jab anywhere near that level, or much of a jab at all really
          Morales took the steam out of manny in the middle rounds by committing to the body with straight rights in the first two rounds. I suggest a rewatch.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          if anyone is open to getting wrecked to the body it is garcia with pacquiao's straight left
          Can you recall Garcia consistently taking straight lefts downstairs in any particular fight? I can't.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          and he can throw winging right hands randomly, looping here, straight there, all he wants, but he hasn't shown to put as much thought into them as marquez, marquez's rights take a good amount of rounds to set-up, also dont think garcia's right is as good as marquez's
          Don't have to be as good. Just good enough.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          also note the more people throw at pacquiao usually the more they get the stuffing beat out of them

          his movement can help him last longer but i doubt he wins the fight on it
          Then this won't be a problem for Garcia seeing as he knows how to pick his shots and doesn't have a particularly high volume.

          His movement would make it hard for manny to land while reducing his volume. manny struggles with a moving target.

          The counters make manny think more and throw less.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          and lastly i think thurman or porter have a very good chance of beating or stopping(thurman) pacquiao
          No

          Porter has the come forward style that manny thrives against. Dude was taking left hands downstairs from Devon, who isn't a left handed southpaw

          Thurman has dangerous KO power, but he's even sloppier than manny and prone to getting caught. History has shown us manny excels at brawling.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          garcia just gets his ass kicked
          What were your predictions for Garcia-Khan and Garcia-Lucas

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          • #35
            I think this guy is picked to lose to everyone he faces yet when he beats them he gets discredited. It is time to admit this guy is a certified champion and is a top 10 p4p champion

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            • #36
              Bradley has never destroyed anybody, its a pick em fight.
              danny stops pacquiao imo.
              danny can give floyd a fight similar too the cotto fight

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              • #37
                Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
                Morales took the steam out of manny in the middle rounds by committing to the body with straight rights in the first two rounds. I suggest a rewatch.
                morales is a beast with his straight right, seriously man you are overrating garcia in every category, you know how many fights morales has changed with that straight right to the body? garcia's right isn't anywhere near the level of morales or marquez's, not anywhere near, like at all

                and is garcia even active enough to make them count? morales won that fight by what a point or two?(seriously can't remember)

                it's not giving him the fight, pacquiao is also not draining

                Can you recall Garcia consistently taking straight lefts downstairs in any particular fight? I can't.
                judah fight, only southpaw he's fought as far as i know(haven't done a full sweep of his career)

                Don't have to be as good. Just good enough.
                a random right hand isn't going to get him anything but misses
                he can land here and there but for the most part pacquiao will be landing more, and cleaner

                Then this won't be a problem for Garcia seeing as he knows how to pick his shots and doesn't have a particularly high volume.
                maybe, sure?

                His movement would make it hard for manny to land while reducing his volume. manny struggles with a moving target.
                not that good of a mover, he is either simply straight up moving, holding or he stops and counters against the ropes, that's his movement?
                and also not as good as bradley's, pacquiao wasn't too bothered there

                The counters make manny think more and throw less.
                counters do that to everyone who isn't margarito

                pacquiao will still land when he wants to

                No

                Porter has the come forward style that manny thrives against. Dude was taking left hands downstairs from Devon, who isn't a left handed southpaw
                and still had crazy stamina, no quit and an iron chin, the guy is also very fast, nowhere near the same thing as pacquiao's usually aggressors, it would be a war and although pacquiao can win on better placed shots i can see him losing too

                Thurman has dangerous KO power, but he's even sloppier than manny and prone to getting caught. History has shown us manny excels at brawling.
                thurman is a brawler but garcia is a great mover?
                from what i've seen thurman's movement > garcia's
                he can actually punch on the move

                What were your predictions for Garcia-Khan and Garcia-Lucas[/QUOTE]
                garcia-khan didn't register on my radar
                i said garcia-matthysse is a toss up but would slightly favor matthysse because he has better defense(and he did, till his eye went to sht)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Unseen View Post
                  Bradley destroys him
                  Mayweather destroys him
                  pac destroys him

                  He does great if you bring it to him... But use movement he gets stuck

                  What do you. Guys think?
                  Yeah because those 3 are just "decent movers"

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                  • #39
                    i agree that those three guys destroy him

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by WarMaidana View Post
                      i agree that those three guys destroy him
                      how do bradley and pac "destroy' danny??? lmfao

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