Who ranks higher in your ATG list? Joe Frazier or Wladimir Klitschko?

[King_]

And that's why people are laughing at you.

That's fine. At the end of the day, there IS a possibility Wlad retires not just as an ATG (he already is) but as the GOAT



I ain't even mad

[I Love Jesus!]

yeah just like he made purity, brewster, and sanders look like light heavyweights? he couldn't beat those guys but he's going to beat actual great fighters without losing? very realistic.

70 and 0 brah 63 kos

[Derranged]

Clearly Frazier IMO. Wlad hasn't had the competition, which isn't his fault, but he also doesn't get makeup points just because his competition sucks.

This sounds right.

[LacedUp]

That's fine. At the end of the day, there IS a possibility Wlad retires not just as an ATG (he already is) but as the GOAT



I ain't even mad

No there's not.

[King_]

No there's not.

I think a lot of people would disagree

[LacedUp]

I think a lot of people would disagree

If that was the case, where are they?

[Szef]

Two of those go back more than 100 years where fighters used to fight 20 rounds.

So it doesn't count

Muhammad Ali never got knocked out, and certainly wasn't stopped by an average fighter at any stage in his life.

My bad, I forgot that Leon Spinks didn't knock Ali out he outpointed him something that has never happaned to Wlad, pre or post Steward.

Still doesn't look good

Mike Tyson - OK. That's fair.

I don't really rate Tyson that much but he was really hyped.

[jasjas]

Chin - Frazier A , Wlad C
Toughness - Frazier A+, Wlad C
Heart - Frazier A+, Wlad B
Stamina - Frazier A+, Wlad A+
Defense - Frazier A, Wlad B
Jab - Frazier C, Wlad A+
Power Punches - Frazier A+, Wlad A
Outside game - Frazier - B-, Wlad A+
Inside game - Frazier A+, Wlad D+

Overall average: Frazier - A+, Wlad B+

Do you guys agree?

[King_]

If that was the case, where are they?

Szef99 and probably some writers/"experts"



Either way... Our opinions are our opinions but Wlads current title reign, dominance during his era, historical numbers and to a slightly lesser degree- résumé, speak for itself.

[jasjas]

Wlad is a B plus fighter in a E minus era and frazier was an A plus fighter in an A plus era