Is Joe Frazier really an ATG?

[Elroy1]

If the fight gets past the 5th round Frazier takes over and wins. So, yes.

Your ****ing ****ting me right!

Every time Tyson fought an opponent as weak as Frazier, he KO'ed them in a single round.

Joe would do no better than his bloody son did!

Anybody who thinks otherwise than THAT is on something!

I can't believe what some guys here will try to promote!

[lazy]

Frazier is an Atg. His only two losses were to the best boxer ever, Ali and the hardest puncher ever, Foreman.

He cleaned out the division before the superfight against Ali. He was also undisputed so he couldn't pick his opponents.

[Elroy1]

Frazier is an Atg. His only two losses were to the best boxer ever, Ali and the hardest puncher ever, Foreman.

He cleaned out the division before the superfight against Ali. He was also undisputed so he couldn't pick his opponents.

Yes of course, best boxer ever and hardest puncher ever.

Your word says more than the facts ever could.

Refer to my thread "A close look.." on NSB.

[Wesker115]

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Frazier is an Atg. His only two losses were to the best boxer ever, Ali and the hardest puncher ever, Foreman.

He cleaned out the division before the superfight against Ali. He was also undisputed so he couldn't pick his opponents.

You have 47,000 posts and think Ali is the best boxer ever? lol

[RSBonos]

Cruisery bums are NOT on the menu for a HW champ these days!

but roided cruisery bums are

[Elroy1]

but roided cruisery bums are

Roided Cruisers? YES they are. Ethics aside, cruisers roided to HW's are competitive in the ring, regarless!

As for the last bit, show me today a former CW fighting in the HW division that has a bummy record?

Yeah, I don't think so!

[New England]

Christ I didn't even mention Wlad. That guy needs meds.

it's obvious you're an alt bro. no sane man joins a boxing website and immediately puts up two bieber avatars designed to enrage. just embrace it.


i actually appreciate the beibs. he's a talented guy.

[LacedUp]

it's obvious you're an alt bro. no sane man joins a boxing website and immediately puts up two bieber avatars designed to enrage. just embrace it.


i actually appreciate the beibs. he's a talented guy.

I'm actually a belieber myself.

[billeau2]

I'm done with you.

You have nothing to offer at all of any relevance.

I remember your last post, basically you rely totally on the opinion of past authority figures in the sport which made claims themselves not based on any evidence.

In round 1 for instance you can see the sort of stuff I am talking about in Liston Ali 1 when we were talking about him, arm stretched out, marching forward, not even a punch. I could give you a clip and time for any individual thing you point out to me but you would always have an excuse or fall back on "but he said so!"

You make too many idiotic statements to address at once, but I'll point out just one.

I am talking about real HW boxing, and you mention Bob Foster. An opponent who didn't achieve anything against any real HW boxer of any substantial skill. Incredible!

Actually I'll go a couple more?

WHO uses Louis as a bench mark today for modern HW's to aspire to? I mean really? Nobody who display's any evidence to back it up I can tell you that! And I don't care if someone like Roach SAYS so, I would ask him HOW so? You see the difference.

And then you mention Foreman, yes he was old and fat, he was in his 40's, that's getting on for a HW even in modern times but fortunately things aare not so clear cut here for George.

I think young Geroge would have been better suited for SOME opponents and definitely young Geroge is better suited for some opponents.

George's early career was fought against a much smaller and poorer quality of opposition. And it was young Geroge who gassed against Muhammad and lost to featherfist Young.

Old George had a BETTER career than young George, mounting fights against Holyfield, Morrison, Briggs and beating Moorer etc.

But you would attribute this to Young+Ali being better than these guys since they struggled with the old version.

How can it be?

Because this is a case where old George was...

- Better skilled, he only learned how to box properly in his 2nd career!
- Far heavier and stronger, with better punch resistance and crude power.
- Vastly more experienced!

And these qualities^ are sometimes more important that youth and athleticism! And sometimes not. Against the vast majority of opponents, I'd say they are in Geroge's case!

But you go on with your nutbaggery, if you would like me to debunk anything with examples or stats individually, feel free to ask!

Critical thinking and reflective analysis is my JOB.

You have yet to mention one fact, nor any anecdotal information and despite this you claim, due to something only you and your lover Welterschmaltz seem able to percieve, that modern heavyweights are vastly superior.

You know how stupud you is? some people conveniently use only the facts that support their argument and disregaard the other ones....you don't even have those facts! To date you claim that:

a) old methods of training were so vastly inferior...this despite the rounds fought, the condition of the fighters, and the many informed experienced trainers. Your objectvity? "I saw a tape in mom's basement!"

b) FIghters punch so much harder now. Again....proof?

c) fighters are in much better condition now....despite the facts which show a general decline in how fighters are prepared, you claim other wise.

d) NUtritional supplements have made superior athletes...really? this despite the evidence that has shown that there are virtually no supplements that scientifically show improvement in any great degree...but leroy knows best!

You are so ridiculous that ridiculous people blush around you! You make Charlie Z seem like a cogent individual!