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  • #61
    Originally posted by Mayweatherducks View Post
    Time to take all the money from my Puerto Rican fans in NYC. Lol this **** is too easy. Martinez is going to knock Cotto out if his team doesn't throw in the towel early lol. I respect Pink Croc shoe *** Cotto for taking on all challenges though. GGG will be next.
    You got fans, let alone Puerto Rican fans in NYC?

    You not taken nothing...

    PRPP

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    • #62
      Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
      Your making a fortune tellers prediction that he wont be able to pull the trigger? Sergio is not the most accurate puncher in the game. Numbers wise hes less accurate than Cotto and wastes a lot of punches. The best boxer in the game, who is also the most accurate puncher in the game, who is also faster than Martinez was only able to land 25% of his shots on cotto. Cotto is the best fighter Sergio has ever faced. Sergio is not the best fighter Cotto has ever faced. Cotto will bring hand speed, foot speed, defense, an inside game, an outside game that Martinez has never had to deal with. I realize your banking on Cotto being shop worn, but I dont see it yet. Great fighters throughout history have been able to have many tough fights throughout their careers and maintain a certain level of greatness, like a Duran, like a Gomez. Cotto will win this fight for his legacy which he truly cares about.

      The problem wont be Cotto cutting the ring off if Martinez... The problem is once he finds him... Cotto isnt the best fighter Sergio has faced imo. I'd give P Will a nod and Pavlik (strictly at middle for pav).


      Hell, you could argue Sergio is the best Cotto has fought... Its not like Floyd or Pac wanted to prove it.

      Cotto isnt going to outfight Sergio. If much much bigger men with a lot more power couldnt, a decently healthy Martinez will make Cotto pay.

      Look, I love Cotto but Martinez is ferocious... While I think Cotto IS a warrior... martinez has that other level pride and bravery. Martinez wastes a lot of punched because he has to throw real punches to keep the big guys off. Gotta realize some of these bigger guys also try to impose their size and walk him down with high guards. Martinez is actually very accurate with what he wants to land, particularly the left hand counter and straight left to the body. Cotto does have an excellent jab but Serg has a brutal punishing one himself.

      Even if this turns out to be a war, in terms of heart I'm sure everyone could agree Serg would out will Cotto. Cotto will get some shots in but if Martinez's knee and general health are anywhere near good Cotto might get retired...

      Imagine if Pac was bigger, but threw less but more powerful punches and actually is a bit more tactiful? Or if trout was faster with significant more pop?

      You can say the numbers floyd did vs Cotto but what you dont say is how that fight was practically a shutout. Cotto was competitive but lets not confuse competitive with doing better than he did. It was still practically a shutout... Floyd is also right handed so youll need stats from pac and Trout...


      Anyway, for Cottos sake ge better hope Martinez has taken too mych punishment from bigger men for too long and just isnt anywhere near the same.

      I dont think Sergio is fresher at all. Hes been winning these fights but since the P will fight (first was a war) hes taken huge shots from much bigger men. After years it takes a huge toll on you. Serg has suffer multiple in fight knee and hand injuries, broken nose, cuts, knockdowns, etc. Martinez has had a very tough road to the top which is why he kind of became the peoples champ. He's at LEAST as shop warn as Cotto or more.

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      • #63
        friend, who has MC beat in his prime?

        Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
        Your making a fortune tellers prediction that he wont be able to pull the trigger? Sergio is not the most accurate puncher in the game. Numbers wise hes less accurate than Cotto and wastes a lot of punches. The best boxer in the game, who is also the most accurate puncher in the game, who is also faster than Martinez was only able to land 25% of his shots on cotto. Cotto is the best fighter Sergio has ever faced. Sergio is not the best fighter Cotto has ever faced. Cotto will bring hand speed, foot speed, defense, an inside game, an outside game that Martinez has never had to deal with. I realize your banking on Cotto being shop worn, but I dont see it yet. Great fighters throughout history have been able to have many tough fights throughout their careers and maintain a certain level of greatness, like a Duran, like a Gomez. Cotto will win this fight for his legacy which he truly cares about.
        Who did he beat that the critics said, "Wow"??? Did he ever beat a p4p fight in his prime? Did he take a belt aways from a true champ? Did he ever lay out a true baller in his prime? and don't say Judah , or Mosley. We all know they were finished along time ago. Both are fighting to pay their bills, & will fight you if they could.
        All of Cotto's tough challenges, he lost everyone, & bad...
        He's good with 2nd tier fighters, but he's out of his league with Martinez.
        He's slower than Martinez, hand speed slower, foot speed slower. and again shop worn. After this he will be like Zab Judah. Great against 2nd tier fighters, but could never win the big fight.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by NearHypnos View Post
          The problem wont be Cotto cutting the ring off if Martinez... The problem is once he finds him... Cotto isnt the best fighter Sergio has faced imo. I'd give P Will a nod and Pavlik (strictly at middle for pav).


          Hell, you could argue Sergio is the best Cotto has fought... Its not like Floyd or Pac wanted to prove it.

          Cotto isnt going to outfight Sergio. If much much bigger men with a lot more power couldnt, a decently healthy Martinez will make Cotto pay.

          Look, I love Cotto but Martinez is ferocious... While I think Cotto IS a warrior... martinez has that other level pride and bravery. Martinez wastes a lot of punched because he has to throw real punches to keep the big guys off. Gotta realize some of these bigger guys also try to impose their size and walk him down with high guards. Martinez is actually very accurate with what he wants to land, particularly the left hand counter and straight left to the body. Cotto does have an excellent jab but Serg has a brutal punishing one himself.

          Even if this turns out to be a war, in terms of heart I'm sure everyone could agree Serg would out will Cotto. Cotto will get some shots in but if Martinez's knee and general health are anywhere near good Cotto might get retired...

          Imagine if Pac was bigger, but threw less but more powerful punches and actually is a bit more tactiful? Or if trout was faster with significant more pop?

          You can say the numbers floyd did vs Cotto but what you dont say is how that fight was practically a shutout. Cotto was competitive but lets not confuse competitive with doing better than he did. It was still practically a shutout... Floyd is also right handed so youll need stats from pac and Trout...


          Anyway, for Cottos sake ge better hope Martinez has taken too mych punishment from bigger men for too long and just isnt anywhere near the same.

          I dont think Sergio is fresher at all. Hes been winning these fights but since the P will fight (first was a war) hes taken huge shots from much bigger men. After years it takes a huge toll on you. Serg has suffer multiple in fight knee and hand injuries, broken nose, cuts, knockdowns, etc. Martinez has had a very tough road to the top which is why he kind of became the peoples champ. He's at LEAST as shop warn as Cotto or more.
          I stopped reading at Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik are better than Miguel Cotto. :*******:

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          • #65
            Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
            I stopped reading at Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik are better than Miguel Cotto. :*******:
            Do you think Cotto beats Pavlik or P Will? Thats really the only thing that determines this... And I dont think he does. Cotto is fighting at 160 now which means thats a feasible "fight" now. Who has Cotto beat thats better than Pav or P Will? Not a troll question but a serious one. Shane is a fine name but Shane was already considered old at this time and some people thought Shane won (some).

            Fighting Pac and Floyd doesnt mean youre as good as them. This is coming from a HUGE cotto fan. He wouldnt have faired well vs P Will size and output or Pavs size or huge power.
            Last edited by NearHypnos; 02-22-2014, 01:11 PM.

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            • #66
              Dude you have middle age pagan thinking

              Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
              I stopped reading at Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik are better than Miguel Cotto. :*******:
              that the world was flat too.
              We can't convince you, so you will see for yourself when it's over, & your cat is battered, and bloodied.
              Will you submit, & give Martinez his props. Or will u be like the rest of the critics and say, "well Cotto was too small", or "All those wars took a toll on him" instead of just saying "Maravilla" was the superior fighter?
              Lesten if your dude wins I will personally look you up & say you were totally correct in Cotto's skill set, and he's the best of the era of the little big men to defeat a mw starting at from 140. Something MP, & FMJ never dreamed of attempting.
              Agreed?

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              • #67
                Martinez finally got the dream fight he wanted. He is getting big money to fight a much smaller man he can easily beat. He took 14 months off to come back and fight a guy who never beat a middleweight and lost two of his last three fights at 154 before KOing an unranked 154 pounder. Cotto has no business fighting for the world's middleweight tittle. Martinez should be fighting his #1 challenger GGG.I hope Martinez wins. If Cotto wins he will have won the lineal middleweight title. That title should belong to the world's best middleweight and that sure as hell is not Cotto. If Cotto wins he almost certainly will be fighting Mayweather next for the lineal Middleweight title in a huge money fight. Mayweather will again easily beat Cotto and add the lineal middleweight title to his legacy. GGG who should have had a chance at the lineal title already will be frozen out of a chance to prove he is the best middleweight in the world.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
                  Your making a fortune tellers prediction that he wont be able to pull the trigger? Sergio is not the most accurate puncher in the game. Numbers wise hes less accurate than Cotto and wastes a lot of punches. The best boxer in the game, who is also the most accurate puncher in the game, who is also faster than Martinez was only able to land 25% of his shots on cotto. Cotto is the best fighter Sergio has ever faced. Sergio is not the best fighter Cotto has ever faced. Cotto will bring hand speed, foot speed, defense, an inside game, an outside game that Martinez has never had to deal with. I realize your banking on Cotto being shop worn, but I dont see it yet. Great fighters throughout history have been able to have many tough fights throughout their careers and maintain a certain level of greatness, like a Duran, like a Gomez. Cotto will win this fight for his legacy which he truly cares about.
                  Styles make fights mi amigo...and honestly I've read a lot of good arguments for both sides on here and can see this fight go either way! I like both boxers and don't have a favorite here so may the best man win as lomg as they bring it!...I hope Tio Bob puts on a decent undercard (wishful thinking?) Because this is the ONLY upcoming PPV I'm seriously considering buying......

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by NearHypnos View Post
                    Do you think Cotto beats Pavlik or P Will? Thats really the only thing that determines this... And I dont think he does. Cotto is fighting at 160 now which means thats a feasible "fight" now. Who has Cotto beat thats better than Pav or P Will? Not a troll question but a serious one. Shane is a fine name but Shane was already considered old at this time and some people thought Shane won (some).

                    Fighting Pac and Floyd doesnt mean youre as good as them. This is coming from a HUGE cotto fan. He wouldnt have faired well vs P Will size and output or Pavs size or huge power.
                    Cotto beats Williams. Hes too good an inside fighter to lose to a big man who tries to fight like a little guy.

                    and to say the only way to determine if Cotto is better is to question whether or not Cotto could beat those two is ridiculous. we're talking P4P here. Thats like comparing Mayweather and Tyson and saying the only way to know if Mayweather is better is by Mayweather beating Tyson. Pavlik is truly a light heavy, even cruiser. Cotto is already taking on a much bigger foe in Martinez. P4P theres no question Cotto is a much more skilled fighter than Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams. BTW Mosley had only lost to Vernon and Winky at the time Cotto fought him. Mosley would then go on to be the only person to ever stop Margarito, becoming the #1 welter in the world. No one credible scored Cotto-Mosley for Mosley. Good fight but Cotto clearly won.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by thatdudespits View Post
                      I stopped reading at Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik are better than Miguel Cotto. :*******:
                      williams beat prime margarito and martinez. cotto hasn't beaten anyone near that level. pavlik beat miranda and taylor who were the 2 best middleweights at that time. maybe cotto's combined resumes at 140 and 147 put him over the top of pavlik(not for me) cotto is just zab judah but slightly better.
                      Last edited by daggum; 02-22-2014, 02:04 PM.

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