If Martinez beats up Cotto and beats up GGG...

[toshmurph]

Where would you realistically rank him at P4P?

Hypothetically if he were to do that then I'd have him my No. 1 P4P...

But that ain't gonna happen, more than likely he'll beat Cotto, most likely by KO.. But I don't see him fighting Golovkin, and if he did the only likely outcome I could see is GGG brutally dispatching him within 'Dos Rounds'!!

Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of Maravilla but his best days are gone, prime Sergio of 2009-2010 would give GGG fits but his knees are wrecked now at 38...

Btw, I'm a big Cotto fan as well, either way I'm gonna be heartbroken with the outcome of Sergio vs Cotto!!:/

[FerFAL]

If he beats Cotto and then goes on to beat GGG he's P4P#1 because he would have beaten everything there is to beat, both on paper and in the eyes of the fans.
Fraud cant say that because he's always been a duck, a habit that has gotten to shameful proportions with his lates Can man stunt.

[JBell11]

Beating Cotto and Golovkin>Beating Khan
And beating Cotto and Golovkin>Beating no one in Ward's case.

So yeah, I would say if Martinez beats Cotto and GGG this year, he should be #1 P4P because of taking on better challengers than Mayweather.

That's pretty much it.

All variables aside (i.e., other fighters) Martinez wins against Cotto and Golovkin bears significant weight and arguably can push Martinez to number 1, but no less than number 2.

I just don't understand this unwritten justification to place Mayweather in number 1 anymore - this also applied to Pacquiao to an extent before his losing streak. He's not even challenging himself and elects fighters that aren't the most competitive in nature. Martinez and Ward would be my one and two personally with Mayweather at number 3. That's my "1000 mile" view of the landscape.

[radioraheem]

That's pretty much it.

All variables aside (i.e., other fighters) Martinez wins against Cotto and Golovkin bears significant weight and arguably can push Martinez to number 1, but no less than number 2.

I just don't understand this unwritten justification to place Mayweather in number 1 anymore - this also applied to Pacquiao to an extent before his losing streak. He's not even challenging himself and elects fighters that aren't the most competitive in nature. Martinez and Ward would be my one and two personally with Mayweather at number 3. That's my "1000 mile" view of the landscape.

Ward and Martinez suffer from the same thing you just accused Pacquaio over. More particularly Ward. He's just so much better than his competition, and his competition is too few. So their resumes don't have great names.

Martinez fighting Cotto is arguably his greatest test of his career.

[bojangles1987]

Ward and Martinez suffer from the same thing you just accused Pacquaio over. More particularly Ward. He's just so much better than his competition, and his competition is too few. So their resumes don't have great names.

Martinez fighting Cotto is arguably his greatest test of his career.

What? No way. Paul Williams was a much, much stiffer test than Cotto fighting at middleweight. So was Pavlik.

Cotto's a very good fighter, but he's past prime and jumping up way above his best weight.

[radioraheem]

What? No way. Paul Williams was a much, much stiffer test than Cotto fighting at middleweight. So was Pavlik.

Cotto's a very good fighter, but he's past prime and jumping up way above his best weight.

I said arguably he's his greatest test. We can't say he's not til they actually fight. Because if they fight and Cotto wins, what will you say then?

And Cotto has a more storied career than Paul Williams.

[JBell11]

Ward and Martinez suffer from the same thing you just accused Pacquaio over. More particularly Ward. He's just so much better than his competition, and his competition is too few. So their resumes don't have great names.

Martinez fighting Cotto is arguably his greatest test of his career.

I disagree...Williams, Pavlik, Citron, were pretty challeging too, if not more so given the height differences of the three that I mentioned. If anything Cotto will be one of the least challenging.

What I can't back up at this point is your point that Martinez is guilty of possibly baking in weight clauses into the negotiations. It's my understanding that he isn't guilty of doing it AS MUCH as Pac's team and/or Mayweather's team.

I do agree that Ward is guilty of it also. I believe Ward is a great fighter and the winner of the super six is a great justifier for it.

[M Bison]

Cotto and GGG... definitely P4P 1, he definitely has an impressive resume and that would be the tip of the iceberg and his resume would be far more complete than Floyd thus earning him that number 1 spot in my opinion.

[M Bison]

What? No way. Paul Williams was a much, much stiffer test than Cotto fighting at middleweight. So was Pavlik.

Cotto's a very good fighter, but he's past prime and jumping up way above his best weight.

Pavlik >>> Cotto?

I would definitely not go that far lmao!
Kelly was massively overrated and hyped for beating Taylor on his down slope of his career, he's an alright fighter but he certainly isn't anything special I'd still say Cotto at 160lbs is a better win than a 'prime' Pavlik who was schooled by a grandad... THAT is embarrassing.

[bojangles1987]

I said arguably he's his greatest test. We can't say he's not til they actually fight. Because if they fight and Cotto wins, what will you say then?

And Cotto has a more storied career than Paul Williams.

If Cotto wins this fight, then Sergio is shot. I hate to go into a fight thinking that, but it's the truth. Cotto's not a middleweight. There's a reason he's getting so much credit for doing this, because he should get slaughtered. Sergio isn't taking the fight for any kind of challenge, he's taking it for the payday.

Cotto has a much better career than Paul Williams, but he's not a better fighter at middleweight than the guy Sergio fought.