Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: If Mayweather Calls To Fight, Then It Will Be On

[shade darkar]

You will believe whatever fits your agenda. If you think thats all that needed to be done then frankly, there is no reason either offer was rejected.

No, they did not try to make the fight in May. Niether did Team Manny, unless you consider what manny said in the press trying to make the fight. Why would AL/GBP try to negotitate a fight in May. Yet you are only mad at one guy.

SHade I've watched boxing long before floyd and will watch long after. Ive surely seen more fights than you.vYou may be a fan of boxing but you criticize things for every fighter except Manny.

That is not how a boxing fan behaves.

why the fcuk not???????????

i dont have an agenda. i dont care who wins or loses. i just want to see the fight and as a boxing fan its obvious to anybody with a pulse that mayweather wont fight pacquiao.

so you have no answer then? Why didnt mayweather try to even negotiate a fight with pacquiao this may? answer that one without your usual BS.

why has khan signed a contract to fight mayweather back in december? why were they talking to khan in december? why not pacquiao?

[BoxingScribe]

Because he refused the 50/50 offer. Had he not, this offer wouldn' even be discussed. He says he wants the fight, prove it by agreeing to an offer.



You can make it about me or floyd all you want. Its about Manny's actions. He refused the fight twice. You can't change that.

You are alot like sade darkar. Your a manny fan who holds other fighters accountable when they do the same things manny did yet find a way to give manny a pass everytime.

Manny talks about wanting the fight, his actions never match his words.

Correction sir. He refused the fight THREE times. He walked away from the initial negotiations in 2009 when Floyd wouldn't give him a 21 day cut of fon testing, they refused when Judge Weinstein approached them about serving as a mediator for negotiations in 2011, and Manny turned down Floyds offer in 2012. When it comes times to negotiate, Manny has refused. But he goes in the press prior to his fight, because that seems the only way he can get anyone interested in seeing him fight is to mention Mayweather, and says he wants the fight when in reality he doesnt.

[ADP02]

This is precisely the point. Floyd made a call in 2012. If Floyd calls and offers him $10 million, do you think that is fair? Of course not, because YOU think Manny is entitled to PPV revenue. But he's not because he is no longer a draw.

What? Again, what I'm saying was the offer made back in 2012 was not a serious offer. Even some objective Floyd fans agree to that. Floyd was NOT serious about getting the fight on.

[remi]

Why are people still on this fight? Pac refused 40 million dollars, what deal do you think he will get now that his stock took a major dive? Mayweather wis not going to fight him unless he gets everything he wants. Pac refused 40 mil, to now wanting to fight for free. It doesn't make any sense. Him and Roach said that they don't need Mayweather, so why are they still crying for this fight. Pac had his chance, it is obvious that mayweather has moved on. It's funny that people never begged Calazaghe to fight any of the big names, but people are begging for Mayweather to fight Pac when Pac has no chance of winning. Then people will say that mayweather cherrypicked Pac, and waited for him to get old when Mayweather is the older fighter. Let's stop talking about these two fighting

[Evol]

why the fcuk not???????????

i dont have an agenda. i dont care who wins or loses. i just want to see the fight and as a boxing fan its obvious to anybody with a pulse that mayweather wont fight pacquiao.

so you have no answer then? Why didnt mayweather try to even negotiate a fight with pacquiao this may? answer that one without your usual BS.

why has khan signed a contract to fight mayweather back in december? why were they talking to khan in december? why not pacquiao?

floyd has khan in his mind for a while, he's just throwing other names out there to create smoke screen. dunn even said so himself that fights are planned way ahead of time 1-2 years before it actually happen LOL!

[The Big Dunn]

So let me get this. You feel that because negotiations fell thru mainly because of drug testing the first time. Since Manny changed his mind on this issue, and agreed to testing, he should now accept an unfair deal.
Is that the point you are trying to make? Negotiations didn't work once, so he should take a terrible offer to prove he wants to fight?

Respectfully, I find your description of what happened to be intellectually dishonest. Manny refused OST then tried to negotiate a cutoff. He wouldn't accept any cutoff. The when floyd defeated Mosley 6 months later and got tired of Manny's BS, then he tok that offer off the table.

Because Manny played hardball for 6 months he should take what he gets now. If you feel differently fine. But please don't act like his refusal was valid or the rest of the BS was either.

Yes, floyd could very easily make Manny a more reasonable offer. He doesn't need to keep twisting the knife and he could probably stop proving he is the man and belittling manny.
That said, manny wouldn't be the first and wont be the last to take an unfair offer.

Both guys should cut the BS out at this point!

[ADP02]

we are not discussing the lottery so stop it. Just point out that in lieu of any ppv money, manny was going to be guaranteed $40 mil. Be honest even if you are mad. thats what adults do.

Not the floyd knew manny would refuse excuse again. You would never allow anyone to use this if Manny was making an offer.

Whenever manny refuses an offer-posters like you say the offer wasn't real. whenever someone refuses a manny offer-this excuse can't be used.

Like I said, just be honest and point out the facts about the $40 mil, no ppv offer.

When you type that nonsense, are you laughing or are you truly serious about it? Can't tell sometimes!

That offer was no offer.

The lottery example was just to make you understand how what you said was incorrect. If the jackpot grows then the amount a fighter makes should grow proportionally. Manny was making more proportionally compared to his opponents. Did Floyd use that calculation?

Manny countered with $45 mill and was even willing to do $50 ....why did Floyd refuse? Because 5 or 10 mill more is peanuts compared to what they could have made.

Offer was not serious by both sides but Manny was willing to give in a bit. Not Floyd! Floyd wanted it all to himself .... actually tried to derail it altogether!

[BoxingScribe]

What? Again, what I'm saying was the offer made back in 2012 was not a serious offer. Even some objective Floyd fans agree to that. Floyd was NOT serious about getting the fight on.

How is $40 million GUARANTEED, with $20 million being wired to him the next day, NOT a serious offer? Name me one fighter who has ever been given a $40 million dollar guarantee. In fact, Floyd has the biggest guarantee ever at $35 million, and thats less than he guaranteed Manny. Manny has been on a steady decline since they first initiated negotiations in 2009. And lets just put it out there. Manny's counter offer was "50-50 and we fight." If Manny were to agree to the same random drug testing he did with Rios, WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION now would we? For him to ask Rios for testing legitimizes Mayweather asking him for testing back in 2009. Or unless you are one of those fans who have a problem dealing with these little things called FACTS

[check hook]

So let me get this. You feel that because negotiations fell thru mainly because of drug testing the first time. Since Manny changed his mind on this issue, and agreed to testing, he should now accept an unfair deal.
Is that the point you are trying to make? Negotiations didn't work once, so he should take a terrible offer to prove he wants to fight?

So what about the second time Floyd and his team attempted to get the fight off the ground? Manny and his team didn't even bother to negotiate and see what was on offer. You know when Team Manny announced he was going to fight in May (Floyd was going to the big house), but once Floyd got a postponement, suddenly May wasn't a viable option anymore. Manny's vagina wouldn't heal in time, outdoor stadiums needed to be built and Arab's needed time to tender offers, and yeah Manny's silence in that two weeks was deafening.

Let's not even get to the ridiculous joke excuses Manny and his team used in 2010. Completely and utterly laughable if not for how lame and pathetic they were. All this talk of straw man arguments, but Pac fans entire premise on why Manny isn't culpable rests on nothing but straw man arguments just like his reasons as to why he couldn't make this fight both times it was on the table. Manny and his team are full of empty rhetoric, always have been. The two times that ACTUAL ACTIONS and not words were called for they stymied this fight, and both times with joke excuses.

Pages and pages of dribble, yet no acknowledgement of this. He has a fight signed up and starts to run his mouth. Why sign to fight Bradley? He knew Floyd had the May date secured with no opponent as yet? Why not tell your promoter to try to make the fight happen? Or does that logic only work when Floyd should be doing that??? Incidentally he already tried twice. The first time Manny got equal footing.

[The Big Dunn]

why the fcuk not???????????

i dont have an agenda. i dont care who wins or loses. i just want to see the fight and as a boxing fan its obvious to anybody with a pulse that mayweather wont fight pacquiao.

so you have no answer then? Why didnt mayweather try to even negotiate a fight with pacquiao this may? answer that one without your usual BS.

why has khan signed a contract to fight mayweather back in december? why were they talking to khan in december? why not pacquiao?

I answered your question. You just wont accept it. Manny didn't negotiate with JMM for April because JMM said repeatedly he wasn't going to fight. If you undertsand that then you understood my previous post.

Manny's post fight presser was Nov 28th. Khan signed December, after the announcement of April 12th. If you want to discount that announcement. so be it.

Basically, you are suggesting that al/gbp call them / Cool. why wouldn't bob/manny call them before announcing April 12th? I woud think it works both ways but its clear you see it otherwise.