Lets stop calling fighters shot

[MODAPHUKA]

To me this word is thrown around here a lot with no sense at all of what it means.For example Cotto. Anyone who thinks he is shot is a damn fool.

I said in another thread that Cotto is at a weight class right now where he gives up a lot of advantages almost every fight. Weight , size , reach , punching power. You name it and its almost certain any JR MW or MW takes Cotto on more than one of those categories.Still , you take Cotto back to 147 and he probably destroys everyone there.

So is Cotto really shot? Hell no , Past prime?? of course , but aren't Manny and Floyd also past their prime. Its not only talent that has kept Floyd at the top for so long. He is a crafty veteran with a very hard style to beat. But Floyd has lost a step. So has Pacquiao , and Martinez , Marquez.

Shot to me is Hatton , Mosley , Roy , Tarver , Mayorga , Taylor , Morales.

Damaged good , Juanma , Victor Ortiz , Cintron.

Past prime?? That's also another one that gets thrown around a lot. How many top veterans are still in their prime. You can argue Floyd is still in his because he is undefeated. But Floyd has lost a step. He is so damn good that its still a very large margin between him and his opponents. Floyd just has a lot of tricks , talent and a difficult style. But he is not in his prime. He keeps himself in damn good shape too. Which has helped him a lot.

And its not that it bothers me when we are trying to predict an upcoming fight.They are all good factors one has to consider. What bothers me is those who use it after the fight to defend their fighters "legacy" (I guess). Because they cant take their fighter losing a fight. And they fall back completely on these terms.

So who do you consider a shot fighter , past prime , damaged goods???

[Spray_resistant]

No................JuanMa, Cintron, and Ortiz are shot fighters they have deteriorated to a point where they shouldn't be fighting at all.

[BUNGALOWS]

When I think of truly shot. I think of JLC vs Hatton.

[BUNGALOWS]

No................JuanMa, Cintron, and Ortiz are shot fighters they have deteriorated to a point where they shouldn't be fighting at all.

Fa real. How in the hell is Juanma not shot? He's as done as it gets.

[BUNGALOWS]

Historically, truly shot fighters look like Ali against Holmes or Berbick.

[racer59]

You want to see a recent exhibition of a shot fighter? Watch Rafa Marquez's last fight. It was kind of sad.

[MODAPHUKA]

No................JuanMa, Cintron, and Ortiz are shot fighters they have deteriorated to a point where they shouldn't be fighting at all.

You see , I can agree with you to an extent. This is the way I see it tho.

Salido was better than him , Mikey was better than him. He was beaten by better fighters. He was a one trick pony. Never really improved. And for whatever his talents and his ceiling was , right now he is damaged goods. He was a puncher with no much defense and no technique.

I still think he is strong physically and is young enough to not make it to the shot category.

Ortiz too. But yeah , I should have put Cintron as shot.

[Spray_resistant]

You see , I can agree with you to an extent. This is the way I see it tho.

Salido was better than him , Mikey was better than him. He was beaten by better fighters. He was a one trick pony. Never really improved. And for whatever his talents and his ceiling was , right now he is damaged goods. He was a puncher with no much defense and no technique.

I still think he is strong physically and is young enough to not make it to the shot category.

Ortiz too. But yeah , I should have put Cintron as shot.

JuanMa was something when he blasted Ponce out he had activity, speed, power, something resembling coordination and skill but it all just rapidly fell apart you watch in the Ponce rematch Ponce is going to flatten him.

[MODAPHUKA]

Fa real. How in the hell is Juanma not shot? He's as done as it gets.

When I think of Juanma I think of someone who isn't an elite fighter. Or wasn't as good as projected. His K.O streak had a LOT of people confused. And the hype and seeing him fail against top competition confuses us as shot. He is a one trick pony with no defense and a cracked chin.

He can be a good journeyman and maybe put up some good showings. That's why I don't consider him shot. Don't put him near the elite. We don't want to give him brain damage now.

[I Love Jesus!]

ok nest time I want to call someone shot I'll shoot you a pm and see if its approved first?