Who will you blame if Froch-Groves II doesn't happen?

[jas]

eddie hearn DNSAB.

groves is a crybaby.

froch is an OG victim of fickle british fans who DNSAB.

[Oasis_Lad]

Let's see..... Has Groves refused to rematch two fighters whom he'd recorded Wins over before? Has he turned down a Seven-Figure Sum to face Froch? Is he continually whining about this and that?

Yes, that's Groves.

Froch wants this fight, but he can also chase Bigger Money fights.

Forget Simpletons Like Frankie Bruno and D4 - they are Trolling.

[Xpert]

I blame Groves. He disrespects Froch all the time and he still whines about the fight and his money in it. The referee saved him by stopping it, did him a favour. Groves was on his way out.

Although the early stoppage still should be changed to a NC.

If I was Froch, I wouldn't take this fight, just because I would enjoy pissing Groves off.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He obviously brings more to the table than 15% - it's not as simple as that.

In my opinion, it would be Hearn's fault for not paying Groves' his worth. Mandatory 15% or not. Froch will make heaps more taking 60% of this fight than any other fight out there for him - so it will go down to principle if this fight doesn't get made.

Groves isn't worth ****. Froch can go to America and fight Chavez Jr on HBO PPV. No one in America even knows who the *** Groves is. He either fights Froch or he fights no one for nothing. He should take what he's being offered which is more than 15% and no options.

[- Ram Raid -]

It was never going to be 30% given their relative status in the boxing world. Reasonable or not.

Groves needs Froch, not the other way around - people are moving on already, and in the US no-one really gives a damn, it'll hurt Frochs earning power not at all if Groves walks away from a mando, but it'll make Groves look like he just didn't want it enough and will do nothing good for his career.

Groves has a second shot at a world title at 25 years of age, for a payday that's already 5 or 10 times what he's used to - if he takes it and wins he becomes a major player and the big money will come.

If he walks, he can go back to domestic and second tier international fights and work his way back up to a title shot (unless Ward decides he needs an opponent) earning 50 or 100K a time. Guess it's up to him...

That seems to be what Froch is banking on but I don't necessarily agree. I take your point that Groves has far more to gain from a second bout but if it doesn't happen I do think it will have a negative effect on Froch's earning power. Not necessarily on the flat rate that he's offered but prospective PPV sales will take a dip. Casual fans and general sports viewers are not going to pay en masse to watch him fight Chavez Jr.

Froch wont make as much money fighting anyone else so that needs to be acknowledged in the purse split. There's been a real backlash against Froch and a significant amount of viewers will be tuning in hoping that Groves beats him. If Groves was to take 15% and win it's not inconceivable that Ward will come knocking, who of course will demand the lions share and leave with the IBF belt. So where would that leave Groves? To pursue Bika or Stieglitz? They're not exactly big money fights and he'll take the small end of the purse.

There isn't an abundance of big money fights to be made at super middleweight for Groves. He can't afford to be rolled over in this one.

[LacedUp]

Groves is the architect of his present situation. He appealed to the IBF for a mandatory shot. Given all the **** he's said in the past few months, Froch/Hearn should offer 15% and nothing more.

All this talk about American promoters picking this up is BS. If it goes to purse bids, it'll be between Warren and Hearn. The latter, of course, being the more lucrative route for both fighters.

I can see your point and agree that Groves is probably worth considerably more, and I also don't blame him for not taking the 25% with options. In the end though he went to the IBF to make sure options couldn't be stipulated, but that means 15%.

15% is what's on the table, no matter how much he's worth - if he wins it makes him a major player and he can earn plenty of money - the kid's only 25.

As I said 15%, that's about £600k is on the table - what's more important to Groves I wonder - his principles or becoming a world champion?

TBH I think Froch is digging his heels in because Groves is trying to call the shots, I think 25%-30% (no options) is probably fair, but to me that ain't the point - life ain't fair.

Groves has got a mandatory World title shot, which could earn him millions in the long term - if he chooses not to take it, he can't blame Froch for being mean.

Well, if it was a crap mandatory like a Yusuf Mack type fighter, then by all means - 15% would have been fair. But all parties know that Groves is worth a lot more than that and he won't accept it either.

They have offered him a good £1m which means they know he's worth a lot. And it's not like Froch can go out and fight a Chaves jr and make £3-4m - that only comes with a groves fight.

So unless one of them prices themselves out which I don't think is the case - It would be Hearn's fault for not sorting out a good deal for both of them.

[LacedUp]

Groves isn't worth ****. Froch can go to America and fight Chavez Jr on HBO PPV. No one in America even knows who the *** Groves is. He either fights Froch or he fights no one for nothing. He should take what he's being offered which is more than 15% and no options.

So the fight more than doubled in value because of Froch?

Froch is a UK fighter, if you think he's taking the lions share of HBO PPV, then you'd be wrong. He'll by far make the most out of fighting on Sky PPV and taking his fair share of that, than fighting on someone elses network - which is what he'd be doing.

[LacedUp]

Let's see..... Has Groves refused to rematch two fighters whom he'd recorded Wins over before? Has he turned down a Seven-Figure Sum to face Froch? Is he continually whining about this and that?

Yes, that's Groves.

Froch wants this fight, but he can also chase Bigger Money fights.

Forget Simpletons Like Frankie Bruno and D4 - they are Trolling.

I'm interested in hearing more about these bigger money fights..?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So the fight more than doubled in value because of Froch?

Froch is a UK fighter, if you think he's taking the lions share of HBO PPV, then you'd be wrong. He'll by far make the most out of fighting on Sky PPV and taking his fair share of that, than fighting on someone elses network - which is what he'd be doing.

Chavez fight would be on PPV both here and in America. He will make a significant amount of money.

This is the guy who said Pacquaio should take 0% of the PPV against Mayweather and then negotiate the rematch....LOL why doesn't Groves just do the same?

[LacedUp]

Chavez fight would be on PPV both here and in America. He will make a significant amount of money.

This is the guy who said Pacquaio should take 0% of the PPV against Mayweather and then negotiate the rematch....LOL why doesn't Groves just do the same?

I'm not sure it would be PPV in the UK at all - in fact, i'm sure Hearn said it was hard to make because of the time difference etc and it hasn't proved massive success over the years.

Aha taking things out of context. Except for the fact that Groves isn't being offered $40 million dollars up front.