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  • #31
    Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
    Such bulls1t. Before Agbeko he was twice offered brawler Avalos but he didnt like the sound of 350k. Good luck getting that off hbo
    In the end, this is Rigo's livelihood. His prime earning years are now, and they're quickly dissipating. It can be argued that he should've taken the Avalos fight for the exposure on Manny's undercard, and the hype it might've created, but you can't blame Guillermo for looking at the bottom line and the precedent it might set. These guys don't fight for us, man, they fight for themselves. The occasional romantic will usually wind up suffering from dementia and broke.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
      50 cent sound good?
      If he's willing to stack a card in Miami with Gamboa and Rigo headlining I would support him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
        Such bulls1t. Before Agbeko he was twice offered brawler Avalos but he didnt like the sound of 350k. Good luck getting that off hbo
        Here is the text of the letter I mentioned before. Hyde's opinion is everything was prepared by Arum. Of course he wanted the best purse, but Arum offered the good purse for the bad opponent. Probably he should offered the same amount of money for the Avalos fight. Here is the letter

        Dear Bob,

        I read your comments once again trashing Guillermo Rigondeaux.

        Let me remind you that it became clear to us well before the bout that Joseph Agbeko was, to use a euphemism, " troubled ". We asked, through Mr. English, that an opponent likely to be more competitive be used. The public does not know this. But you do.

        All Joseph Agbeko did was to try to survive, perfectly predictable under the circumstances, as we both know.

        Now you are once again trashing Guillermo Rigondeaux for following the direction of Top Rank and of HBO in fighting an opponent who did not want to be there and who simply wished to survive.

        Tell the public the truth. Tell them that we knew full well that Agbeko was an inappropriate opponent and that Mr. Rigondeaux's representatives said so. Tell the truth and blame those who went forward in light of the advice to select another opponent. Tell the public who made the decision to use Agbeko, who made the decision to keep him in light of unmistakable signs as to the likelihood he would simply fight to survive (at best) and stop trashing the fighter you promote.

        We look forward to Rigondeaux's next bout. It is time that Top Rank schedule same.

        Gary Hyde
        (http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...ng-his-fighter)
        Last edited by racostaa; 02-03-2014, 12:48 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by PBP View Post
          If he's willing to stack a card in Miami with Gamboa and Rigo headlining I would support him.
          That is my dream. I'd be there in a heartbeat.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by drivenboxing15 View Post
            What else do you want Rigo to do!? He threw over 800 punches, that is way more than most fighters throw! It was a bad fight becasue Rigo is too damn good and causes fighters like Agbeko to go into a shell. Rigo is the champ because of what he has been doing so like he said "why change anything".
            He's suppose to change because he is now a professional. Its not like the amateurs where it's just about winning. In the pros people are paying to watch you fight. You can't fight the way he does and expect to receive an audience.

            And as for my comment on how boring the Agbeko fight was, yes he threw 800 punches, most of them jabs by the way, but of those punches how many were crowd pleasing?
            Rigo had a guy in front of him refusing to punch back, and Rigo chose not to press the gas. Not to close the show, not to go for the kill. etc...

            Now if he choses not to do this, that is his decision. But he's going to have a hard time finding any network or promoter to get him major fights.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by racostaa View Post
              Here is the text of the letter I mentioned before. Hyde's opinion is everything was prepared by Arum. Of course he wanted the best purse, but Arum offered the good purse for the bad opponent. Probably he should offered the same amount of money for the Avalos fight. Here is the letter

              Dear Bob,

              I read your comments once again trashing Guillermo Rigondeaux.

              Let me remind you that it became clear to us well before the bout that Joseph Agbeko was, to use a euphemism, " troubled ". We asked, through Mr. English, that an opponent likely to be more competitive be used. The public does not know this. But you do.

              All Joseph Agbeko did was to try to survive, perfectly predictable under the circumstances, as we both know.

              Now you are once again trashing Guillermo Rigondeaux for following the direction of Top Rank and of HBO in fighting an opponent who did not want to be there and who simply wished to survive.

              Tell the public the truth. Tell them that we knew full well that Agbeko was an inappropriate opponent and that Mr. Rigondeaux's representatives said so. Tell the truth and blame those who went forward in light of the advice to select another opponent. Tell the public who made the decision to use Agbeko, who made the decision to keep him in light of unmistakable signs as to the likelihood he would simply fight to survive (at best) and stop trashing the fighter you promote.

              We look forward to Rigondeaux's next bout. It is time that Top Rank schedule same.

              Gary Hyde
              (http://******.craveonline.com/news/3...ng-his-fighter)
              He didnt say anything about Avalos whod make Rigo look good.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by opotemo View Post
                He gets told he needs to throw more punches and stop "running". So he stands in front of his opponent the whole fight and throws more punches, his opponent- a known aggresive volume puncher gets hit with hard shots goes into a defensive shell and stops throwing. But according to you this is Rigos fault.

                It is Rigo's fault when he doesn't press the action. As you said he has a guy in front of him in a defensive shell, refusing to engage, yet Rigo is content to jab (600 of them) here and there and win the fight on points.

                That's a boring style, and a style most people hated which is why so many turned off the channel.
                Last edited by JJRod; 02-03-2014, 01:06 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by HeroBando View Post
                  He didnt say anything about Avalos whod make Rigo look good.
                  I can't understand you point, maybe because my English. As far as I understand you said about the Avalos choice who was not accepted by Rigo for a money issue. Then I assume he accepted Agbeko because the promoter found a better purse, right?. If this is correct, why Rigo should accept a lower purse if he has choices?. So in your opinion Rigo has to choose between good opponents with lower purses or opponents who didn't want to fight with better money?. If this is the Arum's game I still believe that Rigo is fine not accepting this game. He deserves good opponents and a purse similar to his value as one of the best boxers in the world and this is Arum's job . Please, If I don't got your idea well please be more specific

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                  • #39
                    It's weird how Mayweather is literally the only one that can put people in the seats continuously fighting a defensive counter punching style.

                    When Rig does it people call it a bore, when Mayweather does it, people call it art. I remember Winky Wright used to get crapped on for his defensive style too.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by keithers View Post
                      It's weird how Mayweather is literally the only one that can put people in the seats continuously fighting a defensive counter punching style.

                      When Rig does it people call it a bore, when Mayweather does it, people call it art. I remember Winky Wright used to get crapped on for his defensive style too.
                      Rigo's problem is the fan base. He is not American, not Mexican and he don't know English. If Cubans were able to see HBO in Cuba, like nmexicans o Philippines do, then Rigo is a master because generate money like Mayweather does between americans even when he is counterpuncher. The problem is that Cubans by themselves in Miami are not enough for Arum. Why he would allow Rigo to destroy a Mexican of a Phillipine who buy PPV?. This is his only sin, to be the best without enought fan base because in cuba HBO is forbidded. Why Arum is creating Zou Zimming who is an extremely bad boxer?.
                      Don't try to find a logical excuse because there's no logical reason. Of course, many others don't want to see him destroying their national "champion" and follow the Arum's choise of ask everybody to sabotage the Cubans. Basically this is what Arum is saying, that everybody who wants his national champions should sabotage Rigo. That's why he didn't release Rigo neither, because as his promoter has the forum to create this sabotage.

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