The Official Miguel Cotto-Sergio Martinez Master Thread

[CubanGuyNYC]

Should us as fans even get mad about catchweights anymore?? They happen so much now.

This is why precedents are dangerous. If something is allowed to happen once, it can happen again. And if it happens more than once, then it can become the norm. As a kid, I never understood why my dad seemed to overreact if I got out of line. Now I understand. You gotta nip shit in the bud.

[Suavecito80]

This is why precedents are dangerous. If something is allowed to happen once, it can happen again. And if it happens more than once, then it can become the norm. As a kid, I never understood why my dad seemed to overreact if I got out of line. Now I understand. You gotta nip shit in the bud.

I understand what you mean. But **** I can think of like six fights without even really thinking about it that were at a catch weight in the last what four years? We have no control over that kind of stuff it just gets tiring hearing the fan boys hang on to and post about that **** over and over again. Well, at least until some other dumb **** comes along. I expect a great fight.

[Dinamita 03]

Seems that way. Sergio himself wondered why Cotto didn't make demands for a lower weight, where he could've really hurt Martinez, instead of demanding things like top-billing and such. Miguel said okay to 159, up from 158, so as not to "quibble." So what was the point of 158 in the first place? The way I understand it, Sergio usually comes in at 159 anyway. Maybe it's just all been gamesmanship, to get inside Martinez's head. We'll see soon enough if any of that stuff works.

It's just another way of showing Sergio he calls the shots IMO. Which is why Martinez is all upset over the negotiations and demands. He did the same thing for Margarito 2. The fight was held at 153 even though Cotto held a belt.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I understand what you mean. But **** I can think of like six fights without even really thinking about it that were at a catch weight in the last what four years? We have no control over that kind of stuff it just gets tiring hearing the fan boys hang on to and post about that **** over and over again. Well, at least until some other dumb **** comes along. I expect a great fight.

I guess it's just one of the things that identifies this era of boxing. There was once a time when there was one belt for each division, only eight divisions, etc. Soon we'll be saying, "Remember when there were no catch-weights?" I dunno. Whatever.

[CubanGuyNYC]

It's just another way of showing Sergio he calls the shots IMO. Which is why Martinez is all upset over the negotiations and demands. He did the same thing for Margarito 2. The fight was held at 153 even though Cotto held a belt.

Looks that way. That approach might work, but it can backfire. Martinez seems like the kind of guy that holds a grudge and means it. Anger can impair a fighter's judgement, but the desire to methodically inflict pain can really motivate. It's been said that Emile Griffith killed Benny Paret because Benny called him a "maricon" prior to their fight. Coincidence?

[IronDanHamza]

I guess it's just one of the things that identifies this era of boxing. There was once a time when there was one belt for each division, only eight divisions, etc. Soon we'll be saying, "Remember when there were no catch-weights?" I dunno. Whatever.

Catchweights have been around a long time though.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Catchweights have been around a long time though.

How long ago is the first example you remember? And wouldn't you say they've become far more common than ever?

[Suavecito80]

How long ago is the first example you remember? And wouldn't you say they've become far more common than ever?

I know Leonard fought at a catch weight and De La Hoya against BHop. Just in the last 5-6 years there have been:

DLH-Pacquioa
Ward-Dawson
May-JMM
Cotto-Margarito (I think)
Cotto-Maravilla
Margarito-Pacquioa

I am in the camp that these CW fights shouldn't happen that much but they have been happening a lot lately.

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[WesleySnipes]

I know Leonard fought at a catch weight and De La Hoya against BHop. Just in the last 5-6 years there have been:

DLH-Pacquioa
Ward-Dawson
May-JMM
Cotto-Margarito (I think)
Cotto-Maravilla
Margarito-Pacquioa

I am in the camp that these CW fights shouldn't happen that much but they have been happening a lot lately.

DLH - Pac wasnt no cathweight...but Pac - JMM III & Pac- Cotto were, just like May - Canelo