The Official Miguel Cotto-Sergio Martinez Master Thread

[CubanGuyNYC]

Why do people think Martinez can't box? You don't fight bigger boxers and win without knowing how to box. I like my Rican brothers but this fight has brought out the fan boy in some. And before anyone starts blasting me my wife is Rican and my kids are half Rican. Thought I would get that out of the way.

The fanboyism is on "eleven."

My Sergio prediction is based on a very old adage in boxing, one that not only makes logical sense, but has also been proven in practice: "All things being equal, a good big man will always beat a good little man." I consider both men good boxers and warriors. The main difference between them is size. The wildcard is health. If Martinez shows up 100%, or close to it, tomorrow night, it won't be close.

[PRp4p757]

You're right, Chavez is bigger than Martinez, but size is just one factor in a fight. Sergio is a much better boxer than Junior. Cotto is not a much better boxer than Martinez. Their boxing ability is comparable, but Sergio is bigger.

And "Maravilla" iced P Will in epic fashion in two, not fifteen.

That's where we disagree. I think cotto is a much better boxer. It's in his family and he has been boxing since ten. I have been saying what roach has said all along. Martinez is an excellent athlete but not a very good boxer. That's just how I feel. I think roach talks a lot **** but I agree with that. Also the 15 round comment was in reference to how it took him 2 fights to ko pwill. Cotto could very well lose. I like his chances against Martinez. No fanboy here.

[Suavecito80]

The fanboyism is on "eleven."

My Sergio prediction is based on a very old adage in boxing, one that not only makes logical sense, but has also been proven in practice: "All things being equal, a good big man will always beat a good little man." I consider both men good boxers and warriors. The main difference between them is size. The wildcard is health. If Martinez shows up 100%, or close to it, tomorrow night, it won't be close.

Sounds about right to me.

[CubanGuyNYC]

That's where we disagree. I think cotto is a much better boxer. It's in his family and he has been boxing since ten. I have been saying what roach has said all along. Martinez is an excellent athlete but not a very good boxer. That's just how I feel. I think roach talks a lot **** but I agree with that. Also the 15 round comment was in reference to how it took him 2 fights to ko pwill. Cotto could very well lose. I like his chances against Martinez. No fanboy here.

I can agree that Cotto is a better boxer, but much better? No, I can't agree on that. Miguel fights much more textbook, probably because he was trained to be a boxer from a young age. Martinez is very unorthodox, perhaps because he picked up the sport at a late age. Is Pacquiao a much worse boxer than Cotto? He's pretty unorthodox and athletic himself. We saw how that turned out.

[PRp4p757]

I can agree that Cotto is a better boxer, but much better? No, I can't agree on that. Miguel fights much more textbook, probably because he was trained to be a boxer from a young age. Martinez is very unorthodox, perhaps because he picked up the sport at a late age. Is Pacquiao a much worse boxer than Cotto? He's pretty unorthodox and athletic himself. We saw how that turned out.

You are getting a little off subject. PAC is athletic and unorthodox BUT has been boxing since an early age. I think PAC and Cotto are better than Martinez. What I said is cotto is much better because he has been boxing since he was 10 not because of a certain style. I agree Sergio athleticism makes him unorthodox, but if we are going with old boxing adages who wins, the boxer who has spent his life in the sport or the one who picks it up later in life? I just can't wait for this fight. There are so many questions which make this, in the words of max kellerman "must see t.v." lol

[Njord777]

I can agree that Cotto is a better boxer, but much better? No, I can't agree on that. Miguel fights much more textbook, probably because he was trained to be a boxer from a young age. Martinez is very unorthodox, perhaps because he picked up the sport at a late age. Is Pacquiao a much worse boxer than Cotto? He's pretty unorthodox and athletic himself. We saw how that turned out.

I agree with you and my problem is, if I had two faded boxers, past their prime, who would fall apart first?

An older fighter who relies on athleticism and reflexes with an unorthdox style (Roy Jones Jr. Martinez, etc.)

Or a pure boxer who uses technique above all else? (Whitaker, Wright, Mayweather, etc.)

Not to say either Cotto or Martinez falls perfectly into those catagories but just some food for thought.

[Skip Bayless]

as it gets closer to fight time im getting hyped. i like both these fighters so i hope some bull**** like sergio knee giving out or cotto getting put to sleep doesnt happen. i never liked cotto back around 07/08 because my mate would always overrate him and i wasnt impressed by his performance against zab judah and mosley but he impressed me in his fight against margarito even though he lost. u cant hate on anyone who just fights the best time and time again and thats what cotto does.

ive always liked sergio because he is the underdog and never gets his dues plus i wanted him to get a good payday. hoping for good clean fight and hopefully both guys can go on with their careers.

[Njord777]

as it gets closer to fight time im getting hyped. i like both these fighters so i hope some bull**** like sergio knee giving out or cotto getting put to sleep doesnt happen. i never liked cotto back around 07/08 because my mate would always overrate him and i wasnt impressed by his performance against zab judah and mosley but he impressed me in his fight against margarito even though he lost. u cant hate on anyone who just fights the best time and time again and thats what cotto does.

ive always liked sergio because he is the underdog and never gets his dues plus i wanted him to get a good payday. hoping for good clean fight and hopefully both guys can go on with their careers.

Yeah I'm with you in the sense I'm excited enough that I worry a headbutt is coming, a knee is going to give out, Sergio won't make weight shockingly, etc.

Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst. Right?

[Skip Bayless]

Yeah I'm with you in the sense I'm excited enough that I worry a headbutt is coming, a knee is going to give out, Sergio won't make weight shockingly, etc.

Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst. Right?

hell yes!! when is the weigh in? anyone got a link
ps. i have 0 doubt in my mind sergio will make weight, its the knee im worried about. its a serious injury he had

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In case anyone missed it, HBO has 24/7 Cotto-Martinez episode 2 up now.