Amateur comps, explain

**jabsRstiff** · 02-10-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Moschino045

In britain theres Regional and national comps, 11-16 yr olds its schoolboy tourneys, 16-18 yr olds its junior Aba & 18+ its Aba. is that right? i think u have to be selected to compete against other countries or go to trials.

In america i thought it was just Golden gloves for each region then the winner of each regions comp goes to the main comp & the winner of that comp goes to olympic games ?
But then i hear stuff like sunshine games, empire games, Spanish golden gloves. Wtf

The Golden Gloves do not decide who goes to the Olympics....they play a role in where you rank nationally....which is what matters. But, it is not the deciding tourney.

**ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY** · 02-10-2006, 12:11 PM

Actually the GG do not control any of the national rankings. They are a separate group from USABOXING, INc. i.e. the people that rank amateurs. There are MANY amateur tournaments like Golden Gloves, U.S. Nationals, National PAL, Ohio State Fair, Ringside nationals, The Blue and Gold, The Mayors Cup, etc. The U.S. Nationals, the Golden Gloves and the PAL's are the three top tournaments in terms of advancement on the national level.

**jabsRstiff** · 02-10-2006, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY

Actually the GG do not control any of the national rankings. They are a separate group from USABOXING, INc. i.e. the people that rank amateurs. There are MANY amateur tournaments like Golden Gloves, U.S. Nationals, National PAL, Ohio State Fair, Ringside nationals, The Blue and Gold, The Mayors Cup, etc. The U.S. Nationals, the Golden Gloves and the PAL's are the three top tournaments in terms of advancement on the national level.

I did not say they control them. But, they have a real influence.

**JuicyJuice** · 02-10-2006, 12:54 PM

Over here in England we have the NABC (National Association of Boys Club) Schoolboy Championships for under-16's (five age groups - under-12, under-13, under-14, under-15 and under-16), obviously you have to prove that you are the best at your club first and then beat fighters from other clubs to decide who goes to the County Championships. If you win the County Championships (Southern Counties, London Counties, Northern Counties or Midlands Counties) your at the semi-final stage of the National Championship. Whoever had the most stoppage wins en route to the semi's fights whoever had the least stoppage wins, otherwise it's whoever had the largest points margins fights whoever had the smallest points margins. And the other two fight eachother, if your still with me. Then obviously the winners of the semi's fight in the final and there you have the National champ for that age group.

For 16-19 year olds there is three NABC tournaments - Class A, Class B and Class C. Class A is the weakest, Class C is the strongest. But no 16-year-olds are allowed to compete in Class C and no 19-year-olds are allowed to compete in Class A. Then exactly the same proceedure as the Schoolboy Championships.

All NABC tournaments start in November of one year and finish in January of the following year.

There is also, ofcourse, the ABA (Amateur Boxing Association) championships. This is a British championship, not a national championship. The English section consists of eight regional sections (North-East, North-West, Eastern Midlands, Western Midlands, South-East, South-West, North-East London and rest of London). The North-East London section is always traditionally by far the most competitive, and is traditionally held at the York Hall in Bethnal Green and is the only section where the winner gets a medal. The winner of the North-East and North-West fight in the Northern final. The winner of Eastern Midlands and Western Midlands fight in the Midlands final. The winner of South-West and South-East fight in the Southern final. The winner of North-East London and rest of London fight in the London final, also held at York Hall and the winner gets a medal (usually always won by the North-East London winner). The ABA draw it out of a hat for who fights who out of the four region winners (Northern champ, Southern champ, Midlands champ, London champ), the winner of each fight goes through to the semi-final stage of the ABA's where they will be drawn against either the Welsh champion or the Scottish champion (I don't know anything about the Welsh championships or Scottish championships). Obviously the winner of both semi-finals meet in the final to decide the ABA champion of that weight class of that year.

There is also the Junior ABA's for 16-18 year olds, but there are only four sections and less participants - North-East and Scotland, North-West and Midlands, South-West and Wales, and South-East.

No 16-year-old is aloud to compete as a senior in this country (or anywhere for that matter I don't think?), but 17-year-olds are aloud to compete at the senior ABA's (although they must be pretty good!).

To compete internationally, you usually have to be selected. But for the 1984 Olympics, all the ABA winners automatically qualified (the final of the ABA's were held at Wembley that year and were used as box-offs for the Olympics).

**JuicyJuice** · 02-10-2006, 12:59 PM

Spanish Golden Gloves were held in 1984, the tournament was sponsored by Spanish newspapers in New York City. It was held at the same time as the National Golden Gloves and was held for those who didn't go to the National Golden Gloves. A notable winner of that tournament includes Chris Eubanks (later known as Chris Eubank), he won the 156lb weight-class.

**JuicyJuice** · 02-10-2006, 01:18 PM

Michael Watson is a good example - he got to the 1981 Junior ABA final at 71kg, won the NABC Class C title in January 1984 at 75kg, and claimed the London ABA title in 1984 at 75kg.

The 'North-West and Midlands' section of the 1992 Junior ABA's were very interesting, because in the flyweight final there was Prince Naseem Hamed scoring a 30-second KO over Michael Brodie and in the lightweight final there was Junior Witter and Ryan Rhodes involved in a very competitive, close fight (Rhodes won).

The 1994 Eastern Midlands middleweight final of the ABA's (Eastern Midlands section covers Yorkshire), there was Ryan Rhodes beating Clinton Woods.

**ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY** · 02-10-2006, 01:24 PM

NO, the Golden Gloves have no influence on the national rankings whasoever other than the fact that a boxer gets a certain amount of points if he wins them. The rankings in the amateurs are -for better or worse- very cut and dry. If a boxer only fought in the golden gloves during the year -even if he won the nationals -he wouldn't even have enough points to stay in the top 10.

**JuicyJuice** · 02-10-2006, 04:48 PM

Scully, who was the number-one at 156 in 1988?

You had Tim Littles, Frank Liles, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones and James Toney, right?

**JuicyJuice** · 02-10-2006, 04:58 PM

I know Jones went to the Olympics, but there was talk that nobody knew how he got there because there were guys ahead of him.

Amateur comps, explain